GWD－5－30，讨论过，但最近有定论了

tianwan

拙见：

1， no worse than不是not worse than， 这里可以把no worse than理解为as great as，as much as，as significant as。所以这个fact的表述应该是没有问题的。就是说irradiation和cooking在这一点上差不多，可能i>c or i<c,并不是i>=c(i not worse than c).

2， 这一题的关键还是beside the point和misleading，就是离题(或无关）和误导。C只是说明了无关（也就是离题），并没有说明误导。只有E说明了误导。

原因：proponent说irradiation和cooking在这一点上差不多。潜在的意思（误导的结论）是说不管有没有irradiation后，损失的营养是差不多的。这就是误导，不合逻辑的。E就是说明了这个显然的误导，因为2个行为在这一点上的效果是有可能叠加的。

只有E针对了这个误导的结论。其实就是要看误导的结论是什么。C和这个误导的结论无关。

tweib

基本上清醒了，感觉　主要是proponent用词错了即no worse than，被ETS牵强地认为误导人了

进一步，如果有人觉得　不难的话，“支持者　应该如何说”，才不会被ETS认为　misleading？

dream1111

Agree with tianwan.

E.        

Evidences:

1. according to ' However' , we know that it is weakening the argument of proponents.

2. According to ' either...or ', we know that it rebuts by covering two parts consisting of all cases of food. one is on food that does not need to be cooked ( beside the point).   Another will be on food that must be cooked. So far, only C and E left.

3.  E rebuts by pointing out that, although cooking individually  damages food as badly as irradiation individually does, Combination of two processes will be worse ( 'compounded' ). namely that irradiation creates additional damage to food, since cooking is necessary process here.

4. C is consistent with the argument of proponents. It does not bear on some double damage to food as E does if both two prrocesses happen together.

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robertchu

It's interesting to see this question again, and even moreinteresting to see 几大高手(mindfree, lawyer, taiwan,etc.) 全都云集在这里.  I guess finally we can reach a conclusion on this.

I was one of the original proponent of E (http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=24&star=1&replyid=536358&id=56351&skin=0&page=1), but at one point I was almost convinced by mindfree etc. that E has a flaw (seemy post#27 on the above thread) and thus C is slightly better.

Seeing mindfree leaning towards E now, I revisited the question.  And I made a new "wow" discovery.  I can now declare with almost certainty that E is the best answer.  Why? See this:

"However, this fact is either beside the point, since much irradiated foodis eaten raw, or else misleading, since _______."

Pay attention to the highlighted "else".  The first part of the sentence (“either” part) discusses the scenario when the food is eaten raw; the word "else" clearly indicates that the second part (“or” part) should discuss the other scenario when the food is not eaten raw -- when the food is also cooked.  Therefore, E, "for food that is both irradiated andcooked, ...", is naturally the best way to finish the sentence logically.

Agree?

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lawyer_1

either...or else 在此只表示不是无关，就是误导，并没别的意思。or else: if not。后面的话只要满足MISLEADING就够了。

robertchu

Disagree.  See:

However, this fact is either beside the point, since much irradiated foodis eaten raw, or misleading, since _______."
However, this fact is either beside the point, since much irradiated foodis eaten raw, or else misleading, since _______."

leeon

还是支持C!

放射的支持者指出放射和烹饪在VB1的破坏程度上是差不多的。

但是这一事实要么是没有意义的，因为放射食品大多都是生吃的（暗含的意思是放射食品压根就不用烹饪，拿它同烹饪去比较VB1损失根本就没有意义）。要么是误导的，因为烹饪通常是在享用之前的最后一步（也就是还有很多步骤在烹饪之前发生，这些步骤都有可能导致VB1的损失，而食用的食物是烹饪好的食品，这时的VB1的损失通常是前面所有步骤损失之和，而在比较的时候只比较烹饪和放射的结果，所以即使结果损失相同，也可能是给别人误导。因为烹饪时其它的工序造成了VB1的损失）。而放射通常是为了给那些容易腐烂的食品一个更长的保存期限（这些食品是必须要经过放射这一过程的）。两者应用的对象根本不同。

由于这两者根本就不具备可比性，拿这两者比较根本就是误导读者，也就是说，如果不误导的话，应该使这两者具备可比性，要么都是用在防止腐烂上来比较VB1的损失，要么都是比较食用食品的加工过程的VB1的损失。

lawyer_1

else 修饰MISLEADING，是主句中的成分，况且SINCE原因从句用逗号分开，ELSE怎能修饰到从句呢。ELSE是主句谓语的其他情况，不是原因状语的其他情况。

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robertchu

I'm not looking at this from the pure grammar sense, but looking at it from a logic sense.  Otherwise, if the "or" part does not clearly complement the "either" part, why bother to say "or else" instead of simply "or"?

My sense is:

"either A or B":  A, B are simple alternatives

"either A, or else B": A, B are not only simple alternatives; B also complements A.  I.e., if A describes a certain scenario, B likely would discuss a complement scenario.

amyhsiao

高手們

請問C or E到底那個對???

兩個解釋都可以接受耶

有老師可以解題嗎???