that of在比较的时候应不应该有的问题

canlan

刷的og16，当比较中是11月的销售额啊，这种的，很清楚是应该有that of 做指代的，这个很清楚。但两个句子放一起就懵了。。。
og16 62
Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.
(A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
(B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only four million, and many
(C) that is about the same size as Great Britain’s land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them
(D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
(E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom答案是E，完整句子是Laos has a land area comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.在这里，that of 指代land area，是area做比较，可以理解。


另一题og16 111
According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

(A) wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is
(B) wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be
(C) wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be
(D) total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be
(E) total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is

答案是B，完整句子是According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be good for cardiac health. 这里就说比较的是animals和livestocks，不用that of，因为如果用that of是指代fat，不是animals和fat比较，所以错。

问题是：这两个句子，结构差不多，都是某个东西have sth，怎么比较的时候就是一个比较宾语area，一个比较主语animals了呢？分开看都明白，放一起，怎么区分呢？
考试时如果遇到这种题，have sth，有比较，怎么判断是比较主语还是比较宾语？

谢谢先！~~~~

Gil_0_

这个问题很有意思，不过解释起来也很简单，因为两句话用了不同的比较手法。第一句用的是comparable，这个形容词是用来修饰临近的area的，因此选项中如果不加that of那么比较的东西也就变成了area和英国。

第二句话用了less。用中文的语法试着解释一下吧。原句的意思：wild animals比livestock有更少的脂肪。在这里“比”的意思就是通过than表达出来的。因此，如果than后面加了个that of，那比较的自然变成了脂肪和动物。

第二句话其实是运用了比较的省略，更详细的关于这方面的内容我建议你看一看曼哈顿SC关于比较的章节

canlan

Gil_0_ 发表于 2015-9-29 20:35
这个问题很有意思，不过解释起来也很简单，因为两句话用了不同的比较手法。第一句用的是comparable，这个形 ...

谢谢~~~！！纠结了半天的have问题，原来关键在comparable，还有第二句的句意理解上。
谢谢~~~！！
顺手点进去看了你的两个精华帖，膜拜一下~~~希望我也能占个光~~哈哈
预祝申请顺利~~谢谢~~~~

415lethe

这道题Ron认为是C选项正确。。。
关于曼哈顿中代词这部分我记得that of的指代后面是必须有定语修饰以表示两者的不同
【这是我自己当时总结的笔记】. 用it/they来指代的时候是指与前面出现过的名词一样的东西；
而that/those则是不同的东西，必须在后面通过修饰来表示如何不同
EG: The money spent by her parents is more than IT was expected to be
The money spent by her parents is more than THAT spent by her children.
【第二句中父母花的钱和孩子花的钱，这两种钱是不一样的所有用that，并用spent by her children来修饰限定】

所以也就解释了第一道题为什么要有that of
然而到第二题就解释不通了。。。

415lethe

http://forum.chasedream.com/thread-848751-1-1.html顺便链接个这个帖子。。。。 关于这道题的讨论 我个人依旧倾向C

医生吃鱼

切记，句意为王！万不可死扣语法！

I have more pens than You.  这句话一看就知道比较的是I和YOU两个主语。第二题也是同理。

草木深深

Mark一下！               

Zweistein

医生吃鱼 发表于 2016-3-15 23:45
切记，句意为王！万不可死扣语法！

I have more pens than You.  这句话一看就知道比较的是I和YOU两个主语 ...

那请问这句话对不对：

1. I have more pens than those of you.
2. I have more pens compare to those of you.

根据语义第二题C项还是两个fat在比较啊。这里肯定有什么语法纰漏，还不知道。
但我不同意看到答案倒退选项的解释。

ReggieYANG

Zweistein 发表于 2016-10-7 15:01
那请问这句话对不对：

1. I have more pens than those of you.

I have more pens than you do
第二个是必错的:
If you present compared to/with, then DO NOT include any other words of comparison

WRONG:
twice as much....compared to
more/less...compared to

Zweistein

ReggieYANG 发表于 2016-10-7 16:07
I have more pens than you do
第二个是必错的:
If you present compared to/with, then DO NOT include ...

多谢解释。
If you present compared to/with, then DO NOT include any other words of comparison
根据这句话，第二句并没有加其他marker.而且请看楼主第一题和正确选项一样的。所以没问题。

第二题C还是错外aminals和fat比较。我想明白了。