以下是引用gonghao在2006-2-15 16:29:00的发言：你我都经历过高考，也都知道，考试试题是最高机密
但是有一点请别忘了，试卷一旦拆封，即公之余众，其confidential的characteristic即随之消逝，
从此之后，报纸，电视上出现了‘大量名师分析考题’的文章，甚至更有甚者，将其列入下一年的复习资料中，并要求学生从中把握考试的动向，及出题者的意图。
这绝不是cheating
1.同学们的JJ是在考试之后拿出来讨论的，其confidential的特质不复存在
Q:ridiculous, the confidential nature of any test will be altered only because SOME people aleady knew the content? then what about asset in a company, will it belong to the pulic once it is stolen by the manager in charge ?
A:你是说当你向全世界宣布一个文件内容的时候，你最后还得加一句，我在这里宣布：以上所说是机密，discussion is not allowed？荒唐～～～～
why you always choose stay away from the core issue here. 1) you act inconsistently to your signed aggreement by disclosing the test content for which you took oath not to divulge to the third party. 2) your bahaviour will not stop at mere discussion. you actually know beforehand considerable number of question that will appear in your test, the critical part of a whole cheating action without which you and presumably the majority of Chinese test taker will be notwhere close to their N score.
2.虽然同学们互相交流了JJ，但在考试之前，大家也并不知道下一场考试的题是什么，如何来的cheating只说？
Q：then why most Chinese testers knowingly choose their test dates near the end of a month? why they do not choose the first day of every test month? dont tell me you dont know that reason.
A：为什么大家都愿以放在月底考？LET ME TELL YOU WHY
a.在月底的时候，ETS向全世界公布了更多的考试题，同学们能练习更多的题目，已判明考试的难度和自己的准备情况，争取在考试中更好的发挥。
lol, there are so many ways to testify your preparation, such as take pre-test. why so many people clustering here choose the way of "begging" jj, GWD. why in many jj, those authors claimed that they have met many or little jj. why so many people complained that they did not meet more jj as lucky as others did? surely, people including me want to have a better performance in test, but we did do somewhat cheating in a strict legal term. if not doing so, we will be seriously disadvandged by some people who did actual cheating on one hand and claim innocent on the other hand.
b.如果你简单的将在月底考试，都归为cheating，那么在月底考试的世界所有考生都有嫌疑，都该摒弃，唯一可以相信的就是月初考试的同学，如果是这样的话ETS一个月多次考试还有什么意义呢？一个月一次考试，不就结了吗？
i didnot say that, which is your own wishful speculation. the fact is that Chinese testers intentionally choose a later testing date in a month for the only sake of meeting as more jj as possible. dont deny it. everyone (or almost everyone) be aware this "trick" in heart. again, it is actual cheating.
3.我来告诉你什么较cheating，在考试之前即获得考试的全部原题，并提前做针对性极强的准备，这才较CHEATING
Q:completely blabbering, it is just like to say steal one chick is not a crime, only steal one hundred chicks is.
A:We are not steal，我们只是在试题在全世界范围内公布后，进行了讨论，steal和我们所谈的没有任何关联，类比也谈不上。我们在考试前根本不知道考试的内容会是什么，巧合的是，我们复习到的题目在考试中又一次出现了，整个过程考生，都不处于决定者的地位。如何蓄意去cheating呢？
it is unnecessary for you to know the whole testing material in order to form a cheating behaviour. only part of it is sufficient enough to entitle you as a liar. it is an outrageously disgraceful claim that you dont know what will be tested before taking GMAT. then what is the purpose of jj, what is the aim of the exsitance of this webiste ? surely you dont decide the content, but you know its principle and not purely "coincidentally", you pre-viewed a large number of actual test questions, without which you may not achieve a N score. you may blame ETS for leaving such loophole, but your behaviour, from omitting the content thus betraying your oath to geeting informed of real test questions through illegal way has already constitute what is cheating.
你可能会说JJ中有原题，我不否认，但是问题有2个
1.同学们在复习时那的是以前已经考过，已不具备机密性质，并非还未公布的机密考题，
Q:why you always avoid the simple fact that 1) you will meet the exact question (JJ) on your actual test, 2) you betray your agreed pledge to not disclose any test content, both of which constitutes the exact defination of what is cheating.
A:1."you will meet the exact question (JJ) on your actual test'因为ETS不愿及时的改变它的考试题目，
2.after whole world get examiniation ，the test content had been disclosed by ETS
what about your signed agreement, you consider it as empty words that you should not follow once you leave the test center ? i guess you do not have too many business experience, since you dont know the efficiency of a contract.
2在考题中出现重复是很正常的事，高考中，几年前考过在3至5年后重新出现的题目，比比皆是，难道说我们由于做过的以前的真题和现在的真题一样，所以全部中国考生的高考成绩全部涉嫌CHEATING，不应采信？简直荒唐～～～
Q:i dont know how many questions will reappear in GAO KAO in a 3-5 year interval. similarly, i also have not idea how many Chinese students retake GAO KAO in a 3-5 years interval. but i do know one tester can face a large number of same question in the same 1-2 month in GMAT.
A:"i do know one tester can face a large number of same question in the same 1-2 month in GMAT"你终于说对句话，但这并非是全世界学生的错，是ETS 考试方法的一点flaw 。所以学生们不该由于ETS考试设计本身的缺陷而去责怪考生。我们不该为此承担责任，难道不是吗？
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let us simply agree that ETS has its own flaw, but will this flaw legitimize "cheating"? just as leighyao said, if the door of a house is unlocked, can you sneak into it to take everything out you want? ultimately, these are two different issues. its flaw, and your cheating, both are undeniable facts.
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发表于 2006-2-15 17:23:00
