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lazzycat_wxh

嗯，这道逻辑题sicivi解释的很清楚了

rattledrum

大家，什么是KFC啊？

sicivi

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rattledrum

噢

rattledrum

白勇第五章131页18题：

18. Once the economic and social usefulness of the motor car was demonstrated and with its superiority to the horse being proved, much of the early hostility to it in rural regions disappeared.

a. and with its superiority to the horse being

b. and its superiority over the horse had been

c. and its superiority to the horse

d. its superiority over the horse

e. with its superiority to the horse having been

　　

答案是b，我选的是c，理由是：c里省略了be动词was，所以and前后是平行的，而不是白勇这题解释里面说and后面是n.短语。而且b里面的had been没有必要，这里并没有要用过去完成时的暗示。

并且在白勇第12页说到省略结构六-7-2)里举了此题为例，说的是答案c。

所以，此题在练习题中的答案是错的！

sicivi

Yangpeng 110:

I bet you guys have already reviewed this scentence:

This questions are political in the sense that the debate over them will inevitably be less an exploration of abstract matters in a spirit of disinterested inquiry than an acadamic matters in a spirit of disinterested inquiry than an academic power struggle in which the careers and professional fortunes of many women scholars-only now entering the academic profession in substantial numbers-will be at stake, and with them the chances for a distinctive contribution to humanistic understanding, a contribution that might be an important influence against sexism in our society.

I wonder which is the last clause of this sentence paralelling with? and what does "them" stand for?

Yangpeng did not give an explanation on its referent but in his translation, he meant the women scholars. And he said we could regard the last part as "with them (are) the chances..." where are was omitted.

But actually my first impression is that them refer to "the careers and professional fortunes of many women scholars", and the author meant to say: with them(,) the chances for ....(are also at stake).

I'm not quite sure about this interpretation and I also note that there is another "them" at the beginning part of the sentence. Do they have to refer to the same thing? If yes, the meaning of the sentence became more intricated.

What about your guys' opinion?

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sicivi

以下是引用rattledrum在2008-8-30 23:43:00的发言：

白勇第五章131页18题：

18. Once the economic and social usefulness of the motor car was demonstrated and with its superiority to the horse being proved, much of the early hostility to it in rural regions disappeared.

a. and with its superiority to the horse being

b. and its superiority over the horse had been

c. and its superiority to the horse

d. its superiority over the horse

e. with its superiority to the horse having been

　　

答案是b，我选的是c，理由是：c里省略了be动词was，所以and前后是平行的，而不是白勇这题解释里面说and后面是n.短语。而且b里面的had been没有必要，这里并没有要用过去完成时的暗示。

并且在白勇第12页说到省略结构六-7-2)里举了此题为例，说的是答案c。

所以，此题在练习题中的答案是错的！

There seems more than one errors in Baiyong, and I could not recall them all. (I used to choose one wrong choice in Baiyong and reluctantly accepted his explanation. But later Daquan concurred my opinion.)

We can't be too picky to the authors, Baiyong, Yangpeng, or even OG...

Anyway, all of them and all of us are just "hun kou fan chi"ing~

rattledrum

hmmm... actually I m not complaining.

just think I find a wrong key, and then post the question here... coz i wanna get ur confirm.

ai~ damned GMAT!

rattledrum

以下是引用sicivi在2008-8-30 23:51:00的发言：

Yangpeng 101:

I bet you guys have already reviewed this scentence:

This questions are political in the sense that the debate over them will inevitably be less an exploration of abstract matters in a spirit of disinterested inquiry than an acadamic matters in a spirit of disinterested inquiry than an academic power struggle in which the careers and professional fortunes of many women scholars-only now entering the academic profession in substantial numbers-will be at stake, and with them the chances for a distinctive contribution to humanistic understanding, a contribution that might be an important influence against sexism in our society.

I wonder which is the last clause of this sentence paralelling with? and what does "them" stand for?

Yangpeng did not give an explanation on its referent but in his translation, he meant the women scholars. And he said we could regard the last part as "with them (are) the chances..." where are was omitted.

But actually my first impression is that them refer to "the careers and professional fortunes of many women scholars", and the author meant to say: with them(,) the chances for ....(are also at stake).

I'm not quite sure about this interpretation and I also note that there is another "them" at the beginning part of the sentence. Do they have to refer to the same thing? If yes, the meaning of the sentence became more intricated.

What about your guys' opinion?

为什么我的101和你的不一样啊？？？:O

rattledrum

是第110句。YP说，and后面的with...是一个独立的介词结构，那也就是说with...没有跟它平行的部分。

　　

如果and后面不是独立的结构，代词them=前面的them，指代these questions，这样不对。

所以，我想，可以说：and前后是两个句子，而后一个句子省略了同前句的be动词，with介词短语提前，完全倒装，还原就是with them are the chances...，这个them自带women。

　　

这个句子好难哦，让我自己看没有解释，我一定不知道它在说什么飞机！