留美国还是回中国？？比较

delphine18

以下是引用三十以后在2008-1-26 8:13:00的发言：

我觉得感觉最重要。在美国，是有很多benefit,但是我很难有一种做主人扬眉吐气，走到大街上看见一只狗都想着要不要踢它一脚的嚣张感觉。

 

这个不敢苟同

 

请问你在中国走在大街上就可以对任何一只狗想踢就踢一脚吗？“打狗还看主人面”难道不是一句中国俗谚？中国现在有钱有权的人多了去了，他们牵着狗走在街上，你都敢随便踢？

三十以后

以下是引用delphine18在2008-1-26 12:18:00的发言：

这个不敢苟同

请问你在中国走在大街上就可以对任何一只狗想踢就踢一脚吗？“打狗还看主人面”难道不是一句中国俗谚？中国现在有钱有权的人多了去了，他们牵着狗走在街上，你都敢随便踢？

只是打个比方，我想你不应该看不出来吧。再说了，真让我踢我害怕狗咬我。

delphine18

希望你只是比方

 

如果你把“扬眉吐气”定义为“走到大街上看见一只狗都想着要不要踢它一脚的嚣张感觉”，那我劝你千万不要留在美国。但问题是你回中国了一定就能扬眉吐气吗？海龟回国夹起尾巴做人的例子、落地凤凰不如鸡的例子，这些年来可是太多了

delphine18

以下是引用会飞的小蘑菇在2008-1-26 5:46:00的发言：
谢谢诸位的诚恳建议，小女基本决定回国了，其实很大的原因是因为中国的美食太好吃啦！等真为绿卡熬到了快退休的年龄，牙都掉得没几颗的时候才回国天天享受正宗中国美食那真是人生之大不幸啊。。

哪用得着等到退休啊，除非你现在已经年过半百了。H1B六年就过期，如果你到时还没有绿卡，不想回国也得回国。

三十以后

以下是引用delphine18在2008-1-26 12:44:00的发言：

哪用得着等到退休啊，除非你现在已经年过半百了。H1B六年就过期，如果你到时还没有绿卡，不想回国也得回国。

所谓“快退休”我想也是一种夸张的说法，跟我的“踢狗”类似 是吧蘑菇？

YellowJacket

以下是引用atongmu在2008-1-24 9:40:00的发言：

随着中国高速发展，绿卡已经越来越成为鸡肋。就高收入人群来说，绿卡已经成为负资产。我周围甚至都有朋友认真考虑是不是放弃当年为之奋斗多年的美国国籍。

Sour grape!  You can go back to China as a loser or you can go back to China as a winner. 

Most of my successful friends got their green card or citizenship and then went back to China as big sharks.

Case #1) His wife is U.S. Citizen, so he does not care.  He founded the largest hedge fund in China, with capital over 1 billions USD.

Case #2) He got U.S. citizenship and accumulated 20 millions USD in personal wealth working in hi-tech companies.  He went to China to found his own semiconductor company.  His company got acquired by another company which went IPO on Nasdaq in last year.  Filthy rich now.

Case #3) He got his green card and went back to China to work as an early employee in a start-up in Beijing.  The start-up went IPO on NASDAQ and he became the CTO.  His wife stayed in U.S. until getting U.S. citizenship.  Now she is in Beijing with him.

Case #4) She got U.S. citizenship and went to Hong Kong to work in a law firm.  She quited and joined a start-up in Shenzhen as CFO.  She took the company IPO on NASDAQ. Hi-tech life with iBanking pay now.

Those are fine examples of smart people doing smart things.  At the end, they got the best of both World.

Now, look at you.  You yell, you cry, and you quit, all because your dreams are too hard to get. Hopeless!

三十以后

以下是引用YellowJacket在2008-1-26 15:20:00的发言：

Sour grape!  You can go back to China as a loser or you can go back to China as a winner. 

Most of my successful friends got their green card or citizenship and then went back to China as big sharks.

Case #1) His wife is U.S. Citizen, so he does not care.  He founded the largest hedge fund in China, with capital over 1 billions USD.

Case #2) He got U.S. citizenship and accumulated 20 millions USD in personal wealth working in hi-tech companies.  He went to China to found his own semiconductor company.  His company got acquired by another company which went IPO on Nasdaq in last year.  Filthy rich now.

Case #3) He got his green card and went back to China to work as an early employee in a start-up in Beijing.  The start-up went IPO on NASDAQ and he became the CTO.  His wife stayed in U.S. until getting U.S. citizenship.  Now she is in Beijing with him.

Case #4) She got U.S. citizenship and went to Hong Kong to work in a law firm.  She quited and joined a start-up in Shenzhen as CFO.  She took the company IPO on NASDAQ. Hi-tech life with iBanking pay now.

Those are fine examples of smart people doing smart things.  At the end, they got the best of both World.

Now, look at you.  You yell, you cry, and you quit, all because your dreams are too hard to get. Hopeless!

绿卡/公民=CXO=winer，

没有绿卡=loser

今天又学到了新的东西

会飞的小蘑菇

率且?lt;i>三十以后在2008-1-26 13:40:00的发言：

所谓“快退休”我想也是一种夸张的说法，跟我的“踢狗”类似 是吧蘑菇？

是的，能干事业的时候就30-50岁，想在美国那至少奋斗7-8年才能有点根基，那就是说等都快40了或者40多了才考虑回国重新定位或者有点什么想法。。基本什么都凉了。。现在国内的人才竞争激烈，哈佛回去的博士据说想进清华什么的也只能当个副教授。。还不一定能进去。。这主要是因为好地方大家都去争。。先来后到。。所以如果想以后回去40岁以后就太晚了。。公司一看这年龄就知道是快退休的人了定位又高还干什么干？？我认识一个特牛的朋友，当年美国TOP3MBA,在华尔街大行干了8年当到VP回到香港大行干了5年一直是董事。。后来因为定位太高一直就没有在中国正规的去工作。。当然人家有的是钱不用工作了。。她不是找不到而是上来就当总代表董事这样的外资投行人满为患早就一个萝卜一个坑了。。但是人家还是回国了，还是认为中国好。。不过说最近又当上大行董事了。。最近也劝我还是回去好。。另外，如果拿到H1B，绿卡I485递交一年以上可以无限次的续签H1B一直到绿卡拿到为止。。所以没绿卡在美国等上7-8甚至10年的H1B，其中还有不敢回国的现在有太多太多人了。。硅谷的博士很多都是这种状态。。所以比尔盖茨他们不断上述国会要改改移民法什么的。。这样等绿卡人才留住了也麻木了。。只要有钱绿卡不是小菜？50万美元投资移民5年内本金收回。。1年就能拿到绿卡，2年后换永久绿卡。。或者有钱在国内开个公司办个L1签证1年永久绿卡拿下。。我认识很多这样的人，他们年轻的时候都去玩命赚钱绿卡对于50万美元有的一年就赚回来了。。

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-1-26 21:26:01编辑过]

会飞的小蘑菇

是?lt;i>YellowJacket在2008-1-26 15:20:00的发言：

Sour grape!  You can go back to China as a loser or you can go back to China as a winner. 

Most of my successful friends got their green card or citizenship and then went back to China as big sharks.

Case #1) His wife is U.S. Citizen, so he does not care.  He founded the largest hedge fund in China, with capital over 1 billions USD.

Case #2) He got U.S. citizenship and accumulated 20 millions USD in personal wealth working in hi-tech companies.  He went to China to found his own semiconductor company.  His company got acquired by another company which went IPO on Nasdaq in last year.  Filthy rich now.

Case #3) He got his green card and went back to China to work as an early employee in a start-up in Beijing.  The start-up went IPO on NASDAQ and he became the CTO.  His wife stayed in U.S. until getting U.S. citizenship.  Now she is in Beijing with him.

Case #4) She got U.S. citizenship and went to Hong Kong to work in a law firm.  She quited and joined a start-up in Shenzhen as CFO.  She took the company IPO on NASDAQ. Hi-tech life with iBanking pay now.

Those are fine examples of smart people doing smart things.  At the end, they got the best of both World.

Now, look at you.  You yell, you cry, and you quit, all because your dreams are too hard to get. Hopeless!

说认真的你说的这个人好像我认识吧？。。。不过两人分开为了等绿卡我觉得不值。。没有比家庭和婚姻重要的对于女人。。另外是不是LOSER我认为能在美国名校读书回去就不是LOSER,难道即使在美国找一个一年4-5万的工作三流学校拿到绿卡他们就是WINNER比我们回去的强吗？YELL,CRY,QUIT，你了解我多少就说HOPELESS？？我想留美国的话这不正犹豫呢难道回去的就是LOSER？你对现在的中国太不了解了！知道华尔街日报的主席怎么形容中国的地位吗？“CHINA SHAKING THE WORLD”。。知道中国巨型企业老总来开会其它美国同行的巨型企业的CEO都什么态度吗？是在他们做PRESENTATION之前先走到中国老总那点头哈腰递上名片。。然后才回到讲坛开始PRESENTATION。。那态度就像来朝拜一样。。是啊，不会和中国玩就别当CEO了。。知道BP公司年报的规则吗？说年报内容一定要有和中国相关的业务。。否则根本没有经济增长点和吸引力。。知道那些顶级投行的CEO 怎么形容中国吗？那感觉就是甚至把中国说的太高了我们中国人都觉得太高了，但是这就是事实，说中国本世纪内会成为世界第一强国。。

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-1-26 21:41:25编辑过]

lucsh

以下是引用会飞的小蘑菇在2008-1-26 5:46:00的发言：
谢谢诸位的诚恳建议，小女基本决定回国了，其实很大的原因是因为中国的美食太好吃啦！等真为绿卡熬到了快退休的年龄，牙都掉得没几颗的时候才回国天天享受正宗中国美食那真是人生之大不幸啊。。

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