OG-140

dandan74

140. Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.
(A)    the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is
(B)    which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, is
(C)    the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season, is
(D)    which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are
(E)    the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are
What does it mean by "the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season? I don't understand this clause. Can anybody help?

calla

以下是引用zhoushao在2005-4-24 17:55:00的发言：

啊！！！想通了！感谢感谢adii，anynameGG，紫草JJ

这个E是主动语态，farmers直接发出要借代得动作已达到get through得目的，强调得是要达到这个目的

但是C中却是被动语态，似乎强调得只是借代这个动作，（至于借来是不是为自己还是为其他人另有一说）

就像，举个简单例子

我借之笔来写字（就是我要写字，我主动发出这个动作）

笔被我借来写字（我只是发出借这个动作，有可能是借给别人写字）

想了半天才想通，不过，今天不敢在想了，怕有掉进去出不来

我当初也有这个疑问，看了前面的讨论觉得豁然开朗。

不过JJ这么理解好像不太对，他们的意思好像是说：

C采用了被动语态，如果把C改成主动语态之后，collateral就变成了borrow的宾语，即borrow collateral against，而原句要表达的意思是borrow credit against collateral。所以confusing.

名词做介词宾语时不能随便倒装。

不知道我说得对不？

winnemashi

以下是引用anyname在2005/4/20 23:23:00的发言：

我认为E的语序应为：
farmers borrow against the collateral to get through the harvest season
which代the collateral

我认为E的语序应为：
farmers borrow against the collateral to get through the harvest season
which代the collateral

正确。但C的错误是语序变了。中文意思：

E： 农民以农具和土地作抵押来借贷度日。。。

而C：抵押（即农具和土地）被借来度日。。。＝>confusing

不知这样是否回答了的zhoushao问题?

反对噻，“C：抵押（即农具和土地）被借来度日。。。”把borrow against翻译“被借来（borrow)”了，没有抵押的意思在里面了

C应该是   农具和土地被农民用作抵押品来借贷度日。个人觉得C并没有造成歧义，主要是被动形式不好，因为有明确的主语

dormousedzc

以下是引用amy7777在2006-9-26 11:37:00的发言：

我对D选项想不通，我觉得D选项挺好的啊，为什么用use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season不对呢？？？

百思不得其解，请求支援啊。。。。。。。。

谢谢。

loan against collateral ------ 抵押贷款

borrow (money) against collateral ------- 抵押借款

v. against collateral ------- 抵押v. 是一种简洁的固定搭配.,本身就含有use as collateral的意思.   

所以OG解释说:Use as collateral to borrow against is redundant; the wording is awkward 

简而言之就是语义重复.

荷包里的月亮

我也觉得这个against指向的应该是farm equipment and land, 因为collateral指的是抵押物而不是抵押物的价值, 下面引用collins的解释:

collateral: money or property which is used as a guarentee that someone will repay a loan

个人看法哦...

cocoabean

以下是引用月亮生花在2004-4-20 23:57:00的发言：

og的解释： use as 和borrow against 是相同的意思

但是我还是搞不明白，怎么会用against呢？

since use as collateral and borrow against have the same meaning.

collateral 抵押品本身就是用作抵押来借钱的东西.

borrow against 是靠...来借钱, 所以意思重复

kathy72

答案是E吧.

the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, 是作为farm equipment and land 的同位语,意思是说农民以农具和土地作为抵押获得贷款,以渡过收获的季节.

dandan74

Thank you .I got it.

盈盈绿茶

against在这句话中如何理解？    farmers borrow     agsinst which( the collatral) to get----- ,怎莫会agaist the collateral 呢？

Snazzy

it's kind of comparison. 用。。。 做抵押 eg:

i lease a sport car against my house

月亮生花

og的解释： use as 和borrow against 是相同的意思

但是我还是搞不明白，怎么会用against呢？

tianwan

Choice E, the best answer, succinctly and clearly identifies the Declining values as the collateral against which farmers borrow and correctly uses the plural verb are

collateral 不应该指Declining values 吧？

juan

以下是引用tianwan在2004-4-28 9:45:00的发言：

Choice E, the best answer, succinctly and clearly identifies the Declining values as the collateral against which farmers borrow and correctly uses the plural verb are

collateral 不应该指Declining values 吧？

这也是我的困惑。我觉得collateral应该是指farm equipment and land. ETS怎么会这样解释？

心晴

越来越不明白了，到底against是干吗的呢？