OG-140

amy7777

以下是引用madben在2006-6-14 12:34:00的发言：

which = the collateral = farm equipment and land

农民是以农器具和土地为抵押, 被抵押的只能是实际物品，而不是价值。因为如果农民不能还钱，被银行没收抵债的只能是做为抵押的物品，而不是这些物品的价值。

NN讲得好。

amy7777

以下是引用dandan74在2003-10-4 13:22:00的发言：
140. Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.
(A) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is
(B) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, is
(C) the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season, is
(D) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are
(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

我对D选项想不通，我觉得D选项挺好的啊，为什么用use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season不对呢？？？

百思不得其解，请求支援啊。。。。。。。。

谢谢。

Cafe

if which is farm and equipment, it's better to use a word with the same meaning only once rather than twice.

amy7777

以下是引用dandan74在2003-10-4 13:22:00的发言：
140. Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.
(A) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is
(B) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, is
(C) the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season, is
(D) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are
(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are
What does it mean by "the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season? I don't understand this clause. Can anybody help?

先把CAFE的回复贴上，

i问题：f which is farm and equipment, it's better to use a word with the same meaning only once rather than twice.

你好，谢谢你帮我答题，可是我没看懂呢，丢人，你能用中文讲的白话一点吗。

CAFE的回答：  我的想法其實很簡單，如果這which = farm and equipment，那farm and equipment應只說一次，並用which代出關係子句。(不好意思，手邊沒有書，但我的意思大概就是這樣，還請您指教)

再接着问

我还是没想明白，按照你的说法，那么正确答案E也不对了，麻烦你再看看，你比较一下D和E，按你的说法，都说了两次了，还是我没有真正明白你的意思呢？？

谢谢

sinoversion

1.use as collateral and borrow against have the same meaning.

是这两个部分,不是which....

amy7777

明白了。谢谢。

autumn713

所以意思就是說這個是redundency嗎?

因為 use as collateral
        用來當成抵押品

borrow against
        用...來借…

意思是一樣的
        因為"用來當成抵押品"就是要"用來借"

所以重複表達意思了嗎?

謝謝NN

shanj

同意ets抵押是价值的同位语了，因为土地不会被搬到银行，种地用的器具也不会抵押在银行，只有价值才可以抵押。

value=collateral

denne

以下是引用hybo在2005-8-9 17:51:00的发言：

我想应该是这样：

短语borrow (a sum of money) agaist sth.中，borrow是不及物动词(省略了其对象money)，AGAINST 引导介词短语修饰borrow，表示以某种方式(抵押）来borrow.

转换为被动语态时，正确的表述应该以动词的实际对象（money)为主语，即：a sum of money is borrowed against sth；而不是sth is borrowed against。后者导致语义和语法的双重错误：第一，认为抵押物被借了；第二，介词孤单，没有宾语。

因此c选项不是简单地因使用被动语态导致错误，而是不正确地使用了被动语态导致荒谬。

zan～

figowang

我觉得D如果改成以下两种形式，应该就都对了：

against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

which farmers use as collateral to get through the harvest season, are