我就不信没人能解答，再贴一次：请教885 S19-7

mymengming

Research （during the past several decades）
            [on the nature of language and on the processes （that produce and make it（指代research） understandable）] has revealed great complexity instead of underlying simplicity.

今天问了安哥，他还是支持A

mymengming

Research on the nature of language and the processes that这句话省略了很多的东西，Research on the nature of language and (on) the processes (of language) that

it指代的是languag

A和C还是不好确定哪个是正确的，但是如果从意思的一致上讲，A和C的意思差别还是有的

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wei_wangyan

confused.

看这种有分歧的讨论真费脑细胞！

ajmclean

请问如果produce and make it understandable可以共用it的宾语

那么I love and make my girlfriend happy.是否说的通?

关于by的用:the problem is solved by our efforts.和the problem is solved by us.中的by有什么区别?我觉得第一个by是表示通过我们的努力 因为efforts本身不能发出solve这个动作 只有人发出solve的动作.后面一句by显然是表示被动了.因此我认为被动语态中by不一定表示动作的发出者,也可以表通过.

第一次发帖,请大家赐教.......

mbz

The answer should definitely be C.

The main concern people have with C is the processes by  which it is produced and understood.

In fact, the meaning of by has nothing to do with "produced and understood by processes", because it only means "by means of"

If anyone google a little bit, he/she will find a lot of examples using "by which something is produced"

The problem with A is that the processes cannot produce and make the language understood, it is through the processes people made it understood.

花仙子

以下是引用handsong在2006-4-8 12:27:00的发言：

同志们，父老乡亲们，问一个最最基本的问题：语言是人创造的还是过程(process)创造的？

毫无疑问，应该是人创造的，而且是人在某种过程中创造的，或者是人依靠某种过程创造了语言。

这里A: processes that produce and make it understandable,只有一种理解：过程创造了语言并使语言能被人理解。

C: processes by which it is produced and understood,有两种理解：1.创造并理解语言的过程，2.依赖于某种过程创造并理解语言，即：people produce and understand language by the processes

很明显，A是有逻辑错误的，而C提供了一种合理的理解方式，故应该选C.

支持选C，A的逻辑意思明显有误嘛！而且C中的 by which就是through which 的意思啊

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Iawfy

我看你们的帖子看不大明白
所以还是说说我的看法吧
that produce and make it understandable是来解释processes的
是怎样一个processes呢，就是从produce到make it understandable
我认为produce后是省略了it的，为的是简化
可以理解为从produce到make it understandable这样一个过程
就像平常汉语中都说从开发到发展此技术成功一样
我们并不说从开发这个技术到发展这个技术成功
根据这层意思，固然选A

ivypp

坚定地跟随Findjuhl的步伐
    

以下是引用handsong在2006-4-8 12:27:00的发言：

同志们，父老乡亲们，问一个最最基本的问题：语言是人创造的还是过程(process)创造的？

毫无疑问，应该是人创造的，而且是人在某种过程中创造的，或者是人依靠某种过程创造了语言。

这里A: processes that produce and make it understandable,只有一种理解：过程创造了语言并使语言能被人理解。

C:
processes by which it is produced and
understood,有两种理解：1.创造并理解语言的过程，2.依赖于某种过程创造并理解语言，即：people produce and
understand language by the processes

很明显，A是有逻辑错误的，而C提供了一种合理的理解方式，故应该选C.

这个说法太经典了，应该是人创造了语言，在改造世界的过程当中，而不能是过程创造了语言。应该是by processes，选C

tonyyuan

从不同的逻辑角度A和C都有站不住脚的地方，A在语法上还有值得讨论的地方，所以如果大家碰到这道题，奉劝您vote for C吧，错误少一点！

hohoo

总是觉得c里面的processes by which it is produced and
understood有问题，说正过来就是 it is produced processess and it is understood???，卡住了。。。。。
而且it的表达比较含混不清

但是A里面，逻辑上也不错啊，唯一就是省略it的问题，但是勉强也可以过去
processes that produce and make it understandable 表示整个语言的产生和被理解的总过程，这样the research ... on the nature of ... and the process that ... has 就很好的表达了语言结构关系
给个有说服性的例句好了：

If customers value consistent quality and timely delivery, then the skills, systems, and processes that produce and deliver quality products and services are highly valuable to the organization.

Robert Kaplan and David Norton (2004)
                
    "Plotting Success With 'Strategy Maps' A framework for aligning intangible assets and processes with the business strategy", Optimize, Issue
        









      
                
                
            
    




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            所以答案应该是AAAAAAA!!!!!