再问OG164(大全714)(新增ETS官方回复)

vincent0330

35、没说B错，不代表B对。

这你说的没错, 这题which的确有问题, 不过这里指代同位语部份, 优先指代中心词的可能性也不小

49 The pronoun which should be used to refer to a previously mentioned noun,

我想就这句奠定大家对which非限定定语从句的基本任识

50这里也是语法上指代sense of vision, 逻辑上错误(OG没说是指代A of B中的任一个)既然og没说，就不能我们自己说它说这里也是语法上指代sense of vision,

但OG说Similarly, choices B and E use awkward and ambiguous phrasing that suggests that the sense of vision would be considered legally blind.

78这里的which错误指代前句。逻辑上说，超出reasoning范围，不是weaken的理由

你讲的有道理, 但OG讲到: which should refer to a specific noun rather than to the action of an entire clause.

如果OG只讲前半句, 我会认同你的讲法, 但是多了rather than, 就限定在"不是A, 就是B"了

119这里which指代the effects (A of B,  which指向A)，这里确实与其他的相矛盾，是“跳跃修饰”，这种栽og阅读里也有，刚看到一个。

杨鹏难句更多, 只是我一时没法找, 且那是GRE的

178这里which就近修饰service sentence是限定性修饰，不能成为weaken理由

呵呵...忘了补充一下, 我找的例子不是用来weakenOG的, 只是把所有非限定性定语从句找出来而已....5会5会....cc

189这里which没有先行词可指代(应指代computer的, 但是语法上不行)，还是那句话，没说它错不等于它对

In B and D, which and the use of which introduce sentence elements that lack antecedents or reference.

这个我不是用来weaken的就近修饰, 只是列举列举

86版16、A：which语法上指代51million, 逻辑指代program

我认为重心在这里：体会解释对D的影响，把这个和你帖的原题对比一下，这两个解释矛盾，解决矛盾的方法是在distort前加may与本题解释相一致。

这我稍后解释....

综上所述，就是狗狗的最初那一道和119一道，有问题！尤其是119还堂而皇之！！！

OG119我再看的一下: Choice B, the best answer, uses clear and concise phrasing to state that it is the effects of drug and alcohol abuse that already cost business the sum mentioned.

OG的解释偏向总体.....

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-6-4 8:40:40编辑过]

vincent0330

164. The commission proposed that funding for the park’s development, which could be open to the public early next year, is obtained through a local bond issue.

(A) that funding for the park’s development, which could be open to the public early next year, is

(B) that funding for development of the park, which could be open to the public early next year, be（B）

(C) funding for the development of the park, perhaps open to the public early next year, to be

(D) funds for the park’s development, perhaps open to the public early next year, be

(E) development funding for the park, which could be open to the public early next year, is to be

Choice B is best. Choice A attaches the relative clause which could be open... to the noun development, when, in fact, it is the park that could be open. Choice C omits that, the object of proposed that is needed to introduce the clause describing the proposal. C also uses to be unidiomatically where be is correct: the commission proposed [that] funding... to be obtained is wrong. Choice D incorrectly uses perhaps open to the public... to modify development; the phrase should modify park. Choice E, which seriously [may] distorts meaning, says that the commission proposed development funding and that such funding could be open to the public....

基本上前面所列举的只是出现在OG中所有非限定性定语从句, 无论就近修饰或是跳跃修饰(较少)

但这题我觉的加了may未必改变OG在这题自相矛盾之说:

拿(E)来说, 若是用may表是程度上distort, 是不是表示说which有同时修饰park和funding之嫌;

那么(B)就不能称做是best吧!!

当然这题另有语法点排除掉...狗狗在这只是拿出来大家讨论讨论,

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vincent0330

严重感谢宝宝的热情讨论......

其它人的参与也很感谢.....

LES

狗狗，忘了跟你说一声，捎带问问ETS通常参考的语法书。要是其他考友再写信给ETS的话，请问一问！谢谢！

leeon

谢谢狗狗得精彩总结。以及对真理的执着的探索。不过我觉得解体的时候语法部分还是得利用ETS的辩证法，SC是选择相对最好的答案。还有逻辑意思是SC的精髓。这道题还有128题都是在逻辑意思上相对最好的答案吧！

vincent0330

以下是引用LES在2004-6-4 10:23:00的发言：

狗狗，忘了跟你说一声，捎带问问ETS通常参考的语法书。要是其他考友再写信给ETS的话，请问一问！谢谢！

你这问题我不敢问....若是顺便一问, 我也许可以, 但是我信已寄出, 难喔.......

刚好OG在手, 提一下ETS对SC的study suggestion:

1. one way to gain familiarity with the basic conventions of standard written English is to read material that reflects standard usage. suitable material will usually be found in good magazine and nonfiction books, editionals in outstanding newspaper, and the collections of essay used by many college and university writing courses.

2. a general review of basic rules of grammer and practice with writing exercises are also ways of studying for the sentence correction question. if you have papers that have been carefully evaluated for grammer errors, it may be helpful to review the comments and corrections.

vincent0330

以下是引用leeon在2004-6-4 10:49:00的发言：
谢谢狗狗得精彩总结。以及对真理的执着的探索。不过我觉得解体的时候语法部分还是得利用ETS的辩证法，SC是选择相对最好的答案。还有逻辑意思是SC的精髓。这道题还有128题都是在逻辑意思上相对最好的答案吧！

呵呵...我部份认同你的看法, 没错, SC是选最好的答案, 而逻辑也是SC的精髓.

只是OG164我在逻辑上真的没法认同, 撇开其它的相关题目, 我只觉得ETS不能在回答问题上挑软柿子吃(即B没有歧义, 但E有歧义)

vincent0330

不过还是谢谢leeon的提示

vincent0330

纯水......

恭喜LES当版主.......cc

我爱宝宝

以下是引用vincent0330在2004-6-4 8:51:00的发言：

164. The commission proposed that funding for the park’s development, which could be open to the public early next year, is obtained through a local bond issue.

(A) that funding for the park’s development, which could be open to the public early next year, is

(B) that funding for development of the park, which could be open to the public early next year, be（B）

(C) funding for the development of the park, perhaps open to the public early next year, to be

(D) funds for the park’s development, perhaps open to the public early next year, be

(E) development funding for the park, which could be open to the public early next year, is to be

Choice B is best. Choice A attaches the relative clause which could be open... to the noun development, when, in fact, it is the park that could be open. Choice C omits that, the object of proposed that is needed to introduce the clause describing the proposal. C also uses to be unidiomatically where be is correct: the commission proposed [that] funding... to be obtained is wrong. Choice D incorrectly uses perhaps open to the public... to modify development; the phrase should modify park. Choice E, which seriously [may] distorts meaning, says that the commission proposed development funding and that such funding could be open to the public....

拿(E)来说, 若是用may表是程度上distort, 是不是表示说which有同时修饰park和funding之嫌;

那么(B)就不能称做是best吧!!

B和E成分不同，再体会体会。B是best!

我稍稍觉得这样大规模讨论效果不是很好，很难透过简单的文字真正明白对方的意图，我不真正明白狗狗，狗狗也不真正明白我。可我也不知道怎样才最有效果。个人看法。

大家请继续~~~