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[SC总结] 再问OG164(大全714)(新增ETS官方回复)

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81#
发表于 2004-6-8 06:01:00 | 只看该作者
bunnier言之有理,谢谢!
82#
发表于 2004-6-8 06:03:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用vincent0330在2004-6-8 5:23:00的发言:



呵呵....我看咱们的结论差不多了......听说ETS回信说我那E-Mail转去别的部门啦!!



转个部门看来还有点希望。
83#
 楼主| 发表于 2004-6-8 06:37:00 | 只看该作者
听LES说要四个礼拜.....sigh
84#
发表于 2004-6-18 12:43:00 | 只看该作者

ETS 可会欺人太甚喔... 164E, 幸好它缺了个that. See OG 140 and its explanation--"which" isn't a problem:

140. Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.

(A) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is

(B) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, is

(C) the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season, is

(D) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are(E)

(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

In choices A, B, and C, the singular verb is does not agree with values, the subject of the sentence. Choices B, C, and D use awkward and wordy expressions. In B and D, the expression use as collateral to borrow against to get through... awkwardly juxtaposes two infinitives and is unnecessarily redundant, since use as collateral and borrow against have the same meaning. Choice C presents the wordy expression the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through..., in which the passive verb creates an awkward and confusing construction. Choice E, the best answer, succinctly and clearly identifies the Declining values as the collateral against which farmers borrow and correctly uses the plural verb are.

85#
发表于 2004-6-18 22:42:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用bunnier在2004-6-18 12:43:00的发言:

ETS 可会欺人太甚喔... 164E, 幸好它缺了个that. See OG 140 and its explanation--"which" isn't a problem:


140. Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.



(A) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is



(B) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, is



(C) the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season, is



(D) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are(E)



(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are



In choices A, B, and C, the singular verb is does not agree with values, the subject of the sentence. Choices B, C, and D use awkward and wordy expressions. In B and D, the expression use as collateral to borrow against to get through... awkwardly juxtaposes two infinitives and is unnecessarily redundant, since use as collateral and borrow against have the same meaning. Choice C presents the wordy expression the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through..., in which the passive verb creates an awkward and confusing construction. Choice E, the best answer, succinctly and clearly identifies the Declining values as the collateral against which farmers borrow and correctly uses the plural verb are.



虽然OG的确没有提到which的错误,这只能说明ETS认为其他错误已经可以排除选项而不必再考虑which的错误,至少,ETS似乎没有考虑这个错误,并不是说他认为which就对。


参考OG补充test2-16题的D:


The program for modernizing the steel mill, which can, it is hoped, be completed in the late 1980’s and cost approximately 51 million dollars.(E


At any rate, it is not clear in choices D whether the modernization program or the steel mill is supposed to be completed in the late 1980’s.


ETS认为,这种情况下指代不明确。


看来,我以前的总结还有点问题。

86#
 楼主| 发表于 2004-6-18 23:24:00 | 只看该作者
各位, 我还在等ETS的回信.......
87#
发表于 2004-6-19 00:16:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用stoneren在2004-6-18 22:42:00的发言:



虽然OG的确没有提到which的错误,这只能说明ETS认为其他错误已经可以排除选项而不必再考虑which的错误,至少,ETS似乎没有考虑这个错误,并不是说他认为which就对。


参考OG补充test2-16题的D:


The program for modernizing the steel mill, which can, it is hoped, be completed in the late 1980’s and cost approximately 51 million dollars.(E



At any rate, it is not clear in choices D whether the modernization program or the steel mill is supposed to be completed in the late 1980’s.



ETS认为,这种情况下指代不明确。


看来,我以前的总结还有点问题。


stoneren gg 说得好! reading 140's best answer (E), bunnier thinks that ETS prefers X to Y in the structure "X for Y", unless the structure gets complicated and confusing (in steel mill's case):

140E: Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.

"Choice E, the best answer, succinctly and clearly identifies the Declining values as the collateral against which farmers borrow and correctly uses the plural verb are."

Perhaps, ETS is consistent in its own way...

88#
发表于 2004-6-19 07:59:00 | 只看该作者

看看这章贴子: http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=23&ID=50035&page=1


我觉得bunnier总结的非常好.


[此贴子已经被作者于2004-6-21 2:49:08编辑过]
89#
 楼主| 发表于 2004-6-25 23:12:00 | 只看该作者
(六月五日的去函询问)
To whom will concern:

Recently I've reviewing The Official Guide for GMAT. However, I found
this very paradox in the Sentence Correction part.

164. The commission proposed that funding for the park's development,
which could be open to the public early next year, is
obtained through a
local bond issue.

(A) that funding for the park?s development, which could be open to the
public early next year, is

(B) that funding for development of the park, which could be open to the
public early next year, be

(C) funding for the development of the park, perhaps open to the public
early next year, to be

(D) funds for the park?s development, perhaps open to the public early
next year, be(B)

(E) development funding for the park, which could be open to the public
early next year, is to be

Choice B is best. Choice A attaches the relative clause which could be
open... to the noun development, when, in fact, it is the park that
could be open. Choice C omits that, the object of proposed that is
needed to introduce the clause describing the proposal. C also uses to
be unidiomatically where be is correct: the commission proposed [that]
funding... to be obtained is wrong. Choice D incorrectly uses perhaps
open to the public... to modify development; the phrase should modify
park. Choice E, which seriously distorts meaning, says that the
commission proposed development funding and that such funding could be
open to the public....



When I compared the red part with the blue part, it seemed to me a
contradiction. Therefore, I searched some similar question about "which"
(nonrestrictive clause), but nothing I could find like this.


Thank you for being patient to read this E-Mail, and, it is hoped, for
the further explaination or more detailed definition.

Sincrrely,

Vincent
(六月二五日的回复)
 
Thank you for your message concerning question 164 in the Sentence
Correction section of The Official Guide for GMAT Review. You indicated that
the explanations for why options A and E are incorrect present a
contradiction.

As stated in the explanation, option A is incorrect in part because the
relative clause "which could be open to the public early next year" has no
logical referent. In option E, however, the problem with the relative clause
is less clear. While the referent for "which" is slightly ambiguous, it is
overstating the case somewhat to claim that this phrasing "seriously
distorts meaning," and we should have chosen another aspect of the option to
emphasize in explaining why it is incorrect.
In this case, the use of "is to
be" creates a more obvious and important grammatical error. We will consider
revising this explanation when a new edition of the Guide is produced, and
we appreciate your bringing this matter to our attention.


Again, thank you for taking the time to share your concern with us. We are
always grateful to receive inquiries such as yours because they help us to
improve the quality of our tests and test preparation materials.
 

PS:个人意见:
 
个人认为ETS阐述(E)的非限定定语从句是slightly ambiguous, 在OG里面的解释是
overstating the case somewhat to claim that this phrasing "seriously
distorts meaning,"
(同bunnier与我爱宝宝的答复)
 
在这里向之前讨论的xdjm致谢, 让我有这个疑问与信心去函, 虽然得到答案不
是很满意....
90#
发表于 2004-6-25 23:43:00 | 只看该作者

深度感谢Vincent0330的工作。

今天看的第一个帖子,看到标题的时候就热血沸腾,激动不已。一个困扰了近一个月的问题终于得到解答,看来今晚可以睡得安稳了。

再次感谢Vincent0330,也祝贺你从一个很久不灌水的狗狗蜕变成一个爱上OG的狗狗。哈哈!

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