What is success

yaoyao99

Silly, those are the 7 sins for AWA.

pplpp

以下是引用cmnstlyng在2007-4-6 3:38:00的发言：

yaoyao, did you just make those up, i just thought those are funny, but they for sure aren't the "christian 7 sins", please keep us informed what the Harvard "7 sins" are, last time I heard "binge drinking" and "lack of good sports team" are well on the top of the list.

有部电影，演的就是七宗罪，可惜名字记不起来了。你可以搜一搜

pplpp

以下是引用glzhao在2007-4-6 3:18:00的发言：

Okie, let me try again then, I apologize for my poor Chinese. =)

This is now 2007, I think there is a plethora of information out there regarding the overall job placement statistics and the job market for different schools' different majors.  Even if one is not able to ascertain exactly how the job market will look when he/she graduates, should an aspiring PhD student at least have the foresight to know that it will be challenging and therefore finding a job isn't by any means guaranteed?

If we take that to be the case, and I certainly hope that the PhD applicants from China are at least aware of this uncertainty, then they should also understand what it means to "commit" to a PhD program, and what type of investment, both in financial terms and in amount of time and effort, a professor and his program is making in each PhD candidate.  If one is not able or willing to make that commitment, then one shouldn't, period.  If you want the flexibility, go for a masters degree, or something that is less restrictive on your future, but don't use the PhD program as a platform where you come and take a "wait-and-see" attitude, and do what's convenient for you, and totally disregard the interests of the PhD program, the professors, not to mention those Chinese students who wish to apply to PhD programs in the future.

The issue at hand is not about knowing more or less about the job market, there is uncertainty in everything we choose to do in life, and every step we take has risks.  Not only should we be smart enough to assess the risks we face, but we also should be mature enough to face those risks we cannot hedge, and NOT "screw the school/program" (apologies for my coarse language here) just for the sake of hedging our own bets, and somehow convince ourselves that the interests of others don't really matter as much.

部分同意

但有信息传播的平台不代表就能获取到对称的信息。

glzhao

Anyway, the movie is also called "Seven."

The seven deadly sins:

Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, Pride.

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-4-6 3:48:25编辑过]

yaoyao99

以下是引用pplpp在2007-4-6 3:41:00的发言：

有部电影，演的就是七宗罪，可惜名字记不起来了。你可以搜一搜

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114369/

cmnstlyng

以下是引用yaoyao99在2007-4-6 3:40:00的发言：

Silly, those are the 7 sins for AWA.

I know, but I believe she was referring to the "christian 7 sins", that's why I found it rather funny.

yaoyao99

以下是引用cmnstlyng在2007-4-6 3:45:00的发言：

I know, but I believe she was referring to the "christian 7 sins", that's why I found it rather funny.

Duh, I know what she was referring to.

The movie is called Se7en, not Seven.

cmnstlyng

no offense, but that was good humor.

glzhao

Nine deadly sins that can mess up a merger, according to an HBS article:

1. no guiding principles

2. no ground rules

3. not sweating the details

4. poor stakeholder outreach

5. overly conservative targets

6. integration plan not explicit in the financials

7. cultural disconnect

8. keeping information too close

9. allowing the wrong changes to the plan

pplpp

以下是引用yaoyao99在2007-4-6 3:19:00的发言：

I don't agree.  It's a typical example of lack of respect for others, for the wasted resources and time, and most importantly, for a commitment we've made.

对这种事情，我倒更愿意从人性化的角度去考虑。

前面部分帖子里有假设，我也来个假设，不过此假设非彼假设：

如果他读完，受益的也许和大家所述一样，道德没问题，忠贞没问题，后续申请人的机会没问题，大家的面子上都没问题

但是大家想过没有，对他自己呢？牺牲可能很大很大，作为一个个体的人，我更愿意尊重他个性化的选择，每个人都有选择自己生活的权力，而且应当得到别人的尊重。

我初步想到的如果他继续读完面临的困难，大家可以不看这段：

可能找个postdoc都难。而postdoc的工资大家是可以看到的，相当于正式工作后工资的一半吧，有人知道更清晰的数据的话请指正。而这还是比较好的情况。

如果完全失业呢？生活费（可能会涉及到自己的子女和配偶），身份等等都是个严峻的问题。

也许有人会说，可以回国阿。这点不想争论，但是大家可以先了解一下国内对人才的需求，体制，待遇，科研，学术自由。从企业界，政界，学术界等三个领域去了解。