我心目中的牛人 zt - 一片老文章，但是有助于鼓舞士气

nomadwander

其实suncola是很善意的。其实在这里大家都能感觉到兄弟姐妹们对申请学校充满了焦虑和极度的期待，但是人生不会因为上了自己心仪的MBA而一劳永逸，如果大家不调整自己的心态，试想一下长期的紧张和过度的自我欲望必然会损坏到自己的健康。其实人生辉煌也好、失败也好（只要不是流落街头和孤身一辈子），更多的是自己的一种心理状态。

等到自己身体不好的时候，人们才会体会到人生的真正含义其实在于健康并知足地走过这短短的一生。

delphine18

以下是引用vagabond在2005-2-26 6:45:00的发言：

Suppose this lady mentioned above in the article were to be in a professor position at Tsinghua University in China, would you guys think she is a NN or not?

I have a friend who couldn't land a serious job in the United States all the time for several years, so she only jumped into post-Doc positions commanding $25K~30K a year from school to school, mainly in third-tier ones. But when she moved back to China, she immediately got an offer from a top university in Shanghai. It's a real story. And she got her Ph.D degree at a third-tier US university and shortly after the commencement she gave births to her two ABC sons. Do you think she's a NN or not?

I believe the story, Vagabond. I am daughter of a university professor and I fully understand China's education world has always been credulous of overseas diploma, esp. PhD & Post-PhD.

However, if this had happened in the business world, do you think nowadays this girl could find a good corporate job easily when she came back? I don't believe it. Companies & enterprises tend to look down upon one's high & overseas education background without real talent & relevant experiences.

But I reckon, the difference between education circle & business world in United States is smaller than it is in China. That's why the girl could not find a job in US even in universities.

vagabond

>>I fully understand China's education world has always been credulous of overseas diploma, esp. PhD & Post-PhD.<<

I'm not sure if I'm following you. My friend I mentioned got her offer from a top university in Shanghai this year, I mean, NOW, not in the past.

To the contrary, I also have a friend who graduated from Tsinghua with a Ph.D. degree and whose Ph.D. adviser at Tsinghua is a well-known double academicians of China: both in engineering academy and science academy of China, which means he performed phenomenally during his decade-long Tsinghua study and can be called a NN. After the commencement he first worked in a Beijing branch of the world's leading IT company for several years and then went to the United States working in Silicon Valley for another several years. Based on the fact that he could be recruited by an American company directly from Mainland China, he no doubt is a NN. Yet, when he told me he's pursuing a professor position in a third-tier college going back to China in HangZhou NOW, I was totally surprised. It seems that people in China like guys with a third-tier US college Ph.D. degree far more than those holding a Tsinghua's Ph.D. degree. What a poor recognition a Tsinghua Ph.D. really is on the marketplace in China!!!

From this angle, it seems to prove right my decision that I didn't pursue a graduate degree there, although I got admitted (but I abandoned). I don't want to downplay my Alma Mater Tsinghua University here, but personally, I think the Tsinghua guy seems much more talented in nearly every aspect than the gal who got an offer from a top university in Shanghai. Unfortunately, he didn't pursue another Ph.D. degree in US. No wonder most of Chinese professors in top US b-Schools are holding double Ph.D. titles, commanding a $160K in salary or so NOW. Before these professors got their second Ph.D. repositioning themselves again, they seemed to be almost impossible to find a great job in the market like they hold now, and even hard to seek a serious job but keep staying in colleges as a harbor.

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delphine18

Vagabond, I think our opinions actually are the same in this aspect. I said "has always been", which means the situation is not changed up to now.

What I emphasized is the different attitude toward an overseas PhD degree between China's education circle and business world. In terms of education, I totally agree with you that "people in China like guys with a third-tier US college Ph.D. degree far more than those holding a Tsinghua's Ph.D. degree"!

lucsh

情话的教学水平当然不如很多第三类的美国学校.就象中国国家足球队比不上英国或意大利一只乙级队一样,没什么新鲜的

vagabond

Then, how can you explain the sharp contrast existent between borders using your "generalization" that "情话的教学水平当然不如很多第三类的美国学校"?

In the United States, especially in much more competitive corporation arena, the Tsinghua guy got a good offer directly from Mainland China, commanding 3~4 times of the salary of the gal who got her Ph.D. in a United States third-tier university. And more importantly, the gal didn't land a job in any American company except for some post-Doc jobs.

Going back to China approximately at the same time, the Tsinghua guy only got a thrid-tier university offer but the gal got a top university offer.

wcai

I think the success depends on how you define it.

badmedirtyyou

Vagabond, the tsinghua guy is apparently competent so he get a good joboffer but that has nothing to do with the fact that he is not from UStop school, has not gone through the rigorous research training. I amnot surprised that he did not get the first tiered school offer.

vagabond

First someone jumped into an absurd generalization that "情话的教学水平当然不如很多第三类的美国学校", now you posted an unsubstantiated "fact that he is not from UStop school, has not gone through the rigorous research training."

In the first place, the gal I mentioned didn't graduated from a top US school but a school with some 100 in total rankings. So it's problematic you shifted a comparable base from a 3-tier US school to a top US school.

In the second place, to my knowledge, the Tsinghua guy did great research with his double-academician-titled Ph.D. advisor at Tsinghua and co-published several research papers in some international journals, which largely impressed IBM China lab during his era. Shortly after his commencement, he got a great NN offer from IBM lab as a scientist, leaving countless peers behind admiring him so much. If you had claimed that he hasn’t been doing research jobs since his graduation, it would be no doubt, and which case is also the dilemma faced by most US engineers who still want to go back to academia to pursue a teaching or researching job, especially as a professor. But your claim that he lacked rigorous researching training in US schools is apparently problematic.

Oh, by the way, as an MBA candidate and also a future business leader, before drawing any generalization, you'd better objectively take into account any possibility; otherwise, a business leader like you will do great harm to your enterprise, because most of your judgments may totally deviate from the reality. Meanwhile, any counterexample will mercilessly prove wrong your generalization, greatly discounting your reputation as a successful business leader.

[此贴子已经被作者于2005-2-27 10:20:30编辑过]

dashasha

文中这个女NN我认识啊.的确挺牛的,我挺崇拜她的.

原文的作者这么写出来,估计一大批人都知道写的是谁了.

其实,能在美国大学里当教授就挺不错的了,应该算是NN了.