我心目中的牛人 zt - 一片老文章，但是有助于鼓舞士气

zhiyuanw

以下是引用dashasha在2005-2-27 11:10:00的发言：

文中这个女NN我认识啊.的确挺牛的,我挺崇拜她的.

原文的作者这么写出来,估计一大批人都知道写的是谁了.

其实,能在美国大学里当教授就挺不错的了,应该算是NN了.

这个女NN和我的老婆是朋友。我们去波士屯玩时，还住在这个女NN家里呢。她一直是电子系的几大牛人之一。她是我的学术偶像之一。但是人的能力应该用多方面来衡量。

xiamei

这篇文章在UNKNOW SPACE是被批判的，那个女生只是谦虚了一下，这个作者就在那里酸劲发作了，似乎找到心理平衡了。有意思吗？

xiamei

以下是引用freeflying在2005-2-25 22:31:00的发言：

讲讲我周围的朋友, 99年的时候, 一年轻漂亮的朋友考GRE 后去美国读了营养学, 她本科学国贸. 当时把那帮还拿几百块钱在国营外贸公司的男同学羡慕得直羞愧.

去年, 一朋友兴高采烈的跟我说" 猜, 我在美国遇到件神奇的事.", 这一男同学早自己跳出来, 单打独斗做外贸, 公司虽小, 也有十来号人, 买了南京最贵的写字楼, 现在全世界参加展会. 班上大多数同学都走了这条路, 日子过得还算小康. 他说他在美国的展会上遇到了那位女同学. 她很多年没回国了, 念完硕士就去找了份年薪5万的工作. 没车, 老公还在念书. 这哥们说"不过, 我看她挺幸福的." 我听上去却有点辛酸.

倒，全世界去参加展会就认为很高级了吗？只是把路边小摊摆到国外去而已，有什么意思？看客户脸色，接个单子，做得累死累活，不多赚点钱弥补自己所受的身心折磨才对不起自己呢。

有车就是富裕的表现吗？没车有怎么了？需要车就买车，不需要就不买。

xiamei

成功应该是自由，经济自由，人身自由。做自己喜欢的事情，爱自己所爱的人，去自己向往的地方旅游，不为人左右。

vagabond

In US top schools like Harvard, Princeton, and MIT et al, there're around 10% assistant professors who can earn their tenure there. So, you often see a lot of professors coming from other universities where tenure is easier to get. Top schools have been largely taking advantage of this fierce com[petition, rendering countless talented scholars contribute some six years of extremely hard work to the school for which they are working. But in general, they can live a pretty good life while working hard on their tenure. Rarely can I find Chinese professors get their tenure at these top US schools.

zhiyuanw

以下是引用xiamei在2005-2-27 13:57:00的发言：
成功应该是自由，经济自由，人身自由。做自己喜欢的事情，爱自己所爱的人，去自己向往的地方旅游，不为人左右。

Strongly Agree!!!!!

vagabond

>>成功应该是自由，经济自由，人身自由。做自己喜欢的事情，爱自己所爱的人，去自己向往的地方旅游，不为人左右。<<

Unfortunately, by these standards, most of fortune-500 CEO's are not "successful" because they have little freedom in 人身自由, 做自己喜欢的事情，去自己向往的地方旅游，不为人左右. They often must devote more than 20 hours a day for business commitment. They even don't have time to celebrate Valentine's day with their spouse, to have dinner with their family, to attend their kids' commencements, ... In a word, they must sacrifice a lot in exchange for their business success. The more sacrifices to which they devote from their personal life, the more successful they may be! They do travel around the world not to where they want to go but mostly for business destination; they do have dinners not with whom they want to but largely for business caterings; they often can't love whom they really wish to stay with, sometimes for celebrity reasons; they do have mountains of money but every penny they spend must be under surveillances, at home by their family and in the company by their CFO.(Just kidding!) All their time slots are tightly scheduled by their secretary on a minutely basis, even to meet with their family members.

Do you think they are successful or not? For them, self-discipline/commitment, not FREEDOM, is the first quality they much be of.

[此贴子已经被作者于2005-2-27 14:50:00编辑过]

lucsh

以下是引用vagabond在2005-2-27 10:17:00的发言：

First someone jumped into an absurd generalization that "情话的教学水平当然不如很多第三类的美国学校", now you posted an unsubstantiated "fact that he is not from UStop school, has not gone through the rigorous research training."

这位LADY似乎心情不大好.而且还给我的观点加上的形容词ABSURD,我不是说情话而是说清华,不荒唐了吧.开个玩笑.

从逻辑的角度,似乎仅一个别例子来推断整体是个典型的错误.我们应该依据一些US NEWS &WORLD REPORT等专业权威的评价指标来对比中美研究型大学的差距.把清华放到世界知名高校范围内比,整体而言确实一般.当然这项工作还有有人具体来做出科学的量化的判断.

lucsh

以下是引用vagabond在2005-2-27 14:23:00的发言：

>>成功应该是自由，经济自由，人身自由。做自己喜欢的事情，爱自己所爱的人，去自己向往的地方旅游，不为人左右。<<

Unfortunately, by these standards, most of fortune-500 CEO's are not "successful" because they have little freedom in 人身自由, 做自己喜欢的事情，去自己向往的地方旅游，不为人左右. They often must devote more than 20 hours a day for business commitment. They even don't have time to celebrate Valentine's day with their spouse, to have dinner with their family, to attend their kids' commencements, ... In a word, they must sacrifice a lot in exchange for their business success. The more sacrifices to which they devote from their personal life, the more successful they may be! They do travel around the world not to where they want to go but mostly for business destination; they do have dinners not with whom they want to but largely for business caterings; they often can't love whom they really wish to stay with, sometimes for celebrity reasons; they do have mountains of money but every penny they spend must be under surveillances, at home by their family and in the company by their CFO.(Just kidding!) All their time slots are tightly scheduled by their secretary on a minutely basis, even to meet with their family members.

Do you think they are successful or not? For them, self-discipline/commitment, not FREEDOM, is the first quality they much be of.

诚然没有绝对的自由,有得必有失.但自由确实是人人都向往的.美国的核心价值观就是FREEDOM.至于如何获得,能否获得和程度如何,就不好准确评价了.幸福和成功与否也没有固定标准.

不过个人的幸福感很重要,因为快乐与否他人无法替你体验

suncola

以下是引用vagabond在2005-2-27 14:23:00的发言：

>>成功应该是自由，经济自由，人身自由。做自己喜欢的事情，爱自己所爱的人，去自己向往的地方旅游，不为人左右。<<

Unfortunately, by these standards, most of fortune-500 CEO's are not "successful" because they have little freedom in 人身自由, 做自己喜欢的事情，去自己向往的地方旅游，不为人左右. They often must devote more than 20 hours a day for business commitment. They even don't have time to celebrate Valentine's day with their spouse, to have dinner with their family, to attend their kids' commencements, ... In a word, they must sacrifice a lot in exchange for their business success. The more sacrifices to which they devote from their personal life, the more successful they may be! They do travel around the world not to where they want to go but mostly for business destination; they do have dinners not with whom they want to but largely for business caterings; they often can't love whom they really wish to stay with, sometimes for celebrity reasons; they do have mountains of money but every penny they spend must be under surveillances, at home by their family and in the company by their CFO.(Just kidding!) All their time slots are tightly scheduled by their secretary on a minutely basis, even to meet with their family members.

Do you think they are successful or not? For them, self-discipline/commitment, not FREEDOM, is the first quality they much be of.

JJ不要激动。我想没有人否认原文中那个JJ的牛。真的是牛，她的成就真是看得我咋舌不已，我估计我一辈子都和这些成就无缘了。只是她更多的是在学术或者研究领域，而这里的大多数人都不是。所以，一些人认为这个JJ不是自己心中NN model也情有可原。

重新看了一遍原文，作者其实是因为自己的判断标准改变，而认为那个JJ不牛了。——这也有失公允。永远不能说一个著名的CEO一定是个好的大学教授，反之也不行。根本没有可比性啊。

不知道我说得是不是大家正在讨论的，要出差要出差，没时间看完那些评论了。