关于when一个很奇怪用法的请教

铁板神猴

iamyingjie 发表于 2013-5-19 10:04
“Love is when you are as concerned about someone else’s situation as you are about your own”这个w ...

To enkyklios:

1) Love is when you are as concerned about someone else’s situation as you are about your own.
--- Love is (a thing) when you are as concerned about someone else's situation as you are about your own.

2) My boss knew when I left the office.
--- My boss knew (it) when I left the office.   /Though it's also possible yet less that My boss knew (exactly the time) when I left the office.

3) My boss knew that I left the office.
--- My boss knew exactly the fact that I left the office.

Back to your question:

4) "on" (is) used to show when someone is a member of a group or organization
--- used to show the fact when someone is a member of a group or organization

But still you can challenge it with amibiguity, like 2)

however, it's not in a standardized test like GMAT, and if you read A LOT, you'll find it quite common in English formal writing to use "when" like 2) and 4), yet uniquely refering to the first meaning.

铁板神猴

enkyklios 发表于 2013-5-14 00:10
（comparsion显然不适宜作不定式的逻辑主语（comparision use data 不make sense)，to use data……（不定 ...

In 1955 Maurice Duverger published The Political Role of Women, the first behavioralist, multinational comparison of women’s electoral participation ever to use election data and survey data together.

"behavioralist" should be adj. I agree with that.

the main structure: MD published TPRW, the first A, B comparison ever to use data.

1) about "to do"
Notice that the SUBJECT do the action following "to".

In this case, MD published something, one to use data.  --- It indicates MD is the person that use data.

two examples for you:
1. I put on a post to ask a question.  --- it indicates that "I" ask a question.
2. I don't want the post to be added a tag of Reading Team for personal use.  --- it indicates that SOMEONE ELSE should not add a tag, not "I" the subject itself.

anyway, so I've modified your post a litte. Hope you can understand it

2) about "adj, adj"

normally, in a sentence each modifier (adjective/adverb) modifies the next word following it.
e.g. Jack is a tall black guy.
--- here tall modifies "black", indicating how a black guy is. though definitely black indicates guy.

"adj, adj" is used to show when they both yet separately modify the same noun at the end of the phrase.
e.g. He is an old, tired man.
both "old" and "tired" modifies the man.

In case you might ask what's the difference, though??! Well, not a big deal at all!
what's the difference between "我是一个又老又丑的男人" and “我是一个年迈的，丑男人”?

enkyklios

铁板神猴 发表于 2013-5-20 12:47
In 1955 Maurice Duverger published The Political Role of Women, the first behavioralist, multinatio ...

谢谢版主，这个问题我已经解决了，但是版主让我又有所感 十分感谢；

about to do；Notice that the SUBJECT do the action following "to"  

我认为这个可能并不尽然，例如       I need some people to help  。                            who to help? some people
                                                         We will have more meetings like this  to come。   显然to come的不是we。而是meeting.   所以才有了我说comprison是 to use data的主语一说





我后来问题版主能帮我看一下吗？我昨天厚下脸皮跟几个外国朋友问了半天，还是觉得不得要领。可能他们也没有明白我的疑问是什么。

本帖最后由 铁板神猴 于 2013-5-20 11:23 编辑 on 有一个特别常见的用法；on the group       , on the staff.     剑桥词典中这样解释这个用法；  "on" used to show when someone is a member of a group or organization:                                                                                                 在牛津词典中这样解释这个用法；“on "indicating membership of a group or an organization 我们读他们的例句都一样。   牛津词典的解释非常容易理解。说”on'用来表示某人是某个组织的成员。 但是剑桥词典中的解释倒底是什么意思呢？    按字面的理解是说某人是某个组织成员的时间，或者说某人什么时候是某组织成员。  但是on the committe，on the group中根本没有时间的概念啊！而且这样理解的话使得“on"的同一个用法两个词典的解释全然不同也不合道理。 如果两个词典解释的其实是一个意思，那When怎么解释呢？

铁板神猴

enkyklios 发表于 2013-5-20 15:46
谢谢版主，这个问题我已经解决了，但是版主让我又有所感 十分感谢；

about to do；Notice that the SUBJE ...

the answer to your another question is right on #40. click here.
http://forum.chasedream.com/foru ... &page=4#pid18079878

Actually, you've put something more on the table. And that's kind of instereting now.
Cause the word need, have, etc., they are special by themselves. Why? Since there's already an existing phrase indicating intentions, qualities, or anything else that could be.

Like, I guess, what exactly you want to say is, "I need people to help me."
--- here, "need someone to do sth" is kinda similar to the phrase "I want someone to do sth"

Another, "we will have more meetings to come".
--- here, you use a phrase of "have something adj.". Yes, "to come" is just a noun modifier. You don't say I have something to do but I have something doing, which is more grammatically correct.

And I can mention more words of that magic power as you see, for instance, command, demand, require, blablabla

Still, GENERALLY (kinda need it now), notice that the SUBJECT do the action following "to",
at least in this case, which is quoted as "MD published XXXX, one to use data."

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But next time, don't dig way further than necessary. It's pointless digging something that's not tested at all and that won't misguide your understanding about it.
Sooner or later, you'll figure it out by yourself.

The real important thing is, as iamyingjie said, To Get the Right Point From the Context, To Get the Meaning.

Though, by the way, I admire the courage you have in Digging.

enkyklios

铁板神猴 发表于 2013-5-20 19:41
the answer to your another question is right on #40. click here.
http://forum.chasedream.com/foru  ...

非常感谢，at least in this case, which is quoted as "MD published XXXX, one to use data 这是为什么我说我又有所感。
高山仰止，看了版主的回答不想学英语了，

enkyklios

铁板神猴 发表于 2013-5-20 12:10
To enkyklios:

1) Love is when you are as concerned about someone else’s situation as you are abou ...

再次感谢，
事实上我问这个问题几次，大家不是不屑一顾，就是让我我多查词典，语法书。
但是详细询问一下，他们又语焉不详，或者说一些我看来完全错误的答案(当然不排除他们确实知道，但不会解释，又或者解释的对我没听懂）

总于我的诚心上达天听，惊动了版主。解决了我的问题。

感谢版主铁板神猴，感谢版主Lam，感谢Kim  感谢所有参与谈论的人，

铁板神猴

enkyklios 发表于 2013-5-20 19:57
非常感谢，at least in this case, which is quoted as "MD published XXXX, one to use data 这是为什么 ...

你应该更喜欢英语才对嘛 yingjie斑斑和我都觉得你这股探索精神非常棒！in fact, we are part of the same kind, as you can see.

但是正因为我们也经历过这样的“钻牛角尖”式的研究，（我个人曾经拿类似问题折磨过manhattan instructor...）往往如此细节的问题，除非牵涉到具体的题目，到最后容易导致很大的受挫感。如果你因而想到远离英语，那就过犹不及，太可惜了~

So, how to solve this concern? Come and join us, dude. Let's do the real, damn English promoting thing.
http://forum.chasedream.com/thread-710284-1-1.html
The more you read, the less you get confused.

It's kind of weird that I disagree with, yet however, truly like the way you're digging into it. I believe the same do yingjie and kim~ We'd be very glad to have a fellow just like us, to join us, to challenge us, to do something great!

Nice to discuss with U.

铁板神猴

iamyingjie 发表于 2013-5-20 22:33
To enkyklios:
I think I finally understand what your problem is.(see, in this sentence, I didn’t u ...

wow, I love the word scenario. It's the perfect explanation!

About debrief, I actually do have thought about it~ handshake again! You should do some too.
and I think we guys share one thought in common - we both want to prepare ourselves for a better debrief than we could offer now. right~

enkyklios

iamyingjie 发表于 2013-5-20 22:33
To enkyklios:
I think I finally understand what your problem is.(see, in this sentence, I didn’t u ...

To ； 两们版主

真的是很高兴有CD这样的一个论坛，更高兴Gmat论坛有你们这样神乎其技的版主。看了你们的回答，蓦然想起金庸先生在越女剑里的一段描写；

越国剑士没学到阿青的一招剑法，但他们已亲眼见到了神剑的影子。每个人都知道了，世间确有这样神奇的剑法。他们将一丝一忽勉强捉摸到的剑法影子传授给了旁人，单是这一丝一忽的神剑影子，越国武士的剑法便已无敌于天下。

相信有你们的帮助，CD上一定会有越来越多的人取得好成绩，因为他们也有幸看到了神剑的影子。