Chinese boys, you need to sharpen your spoken English ability

lanslot

以下是引用delphine18在2004-11-9 10:03:00的发言：

OK, 我承认你说的差别的确存在，但这也不应该是男生口语不如女生的理由吧

照你这样说多和老外吃几次饭口语就提高了？那如果你真的想提高的话，为什么不主动找老外吃饭呢？

外部原因是一个因素，但也不要都归咎于外部原因

oh please don't misunderstand. i'm only presenting something that i think might be indicative. i don't intend to irritate anybody.

BTW, your rebuttal is not very reasonable, i think. being upset is not a good reason to rebute.

i said estrogen difference, which i guess made you a little unhappy. again, please be understanding, i'm only saying "difference", i'm not saying "unpleasant feminine advantage".

plus i'm not talking for me, i'm pretty satisfied with my english actually. i'm only presenting TRUTH, that's what a scientist does, heihei.

lanslot

i guess it's something on the genetic level in the brain, though i haven't found any research evidence.

dancingfrog

以下是引用亦愚在2004-11-9 7:41:00的发言：

在写这片文章前我想先立个假设: ------如果你遇见社会上有不平事，万不可挺身而出，讲公道话，否则，事情倒会移到你头上来. 如果你遇见有人被冤枉，被诬陷的，即使明知道他是好人，也万不可挺身而出，去给他解释或分辩，否则，你就会落骂的体无完肤, 或许还会被人说是他的亲戚，或得了他的贿路；倘使那是女人，就要被疑为她的情人.  Dukie为白龙仗义执言...----事实给与了教训，人们看惯了，或许也就无足深怪了。

开头读了Vagabond 的文字,对此人还没太多了解, 但当读完她 对琥珀川白龙,Dukie, ruiyu25,…逐字逐句的回复, 就让我想到坐在地上的猴子, 她的红屁股本来是不被人知晓的. 但当突然来了状况, 就尖叫的窜到了树尖, 自然也就一览无余了.

Vagabond小姐自告奋勇来做中国人的英文义务导师, 也不可一概抹杀, 尽管大家对导师的本领略有微词. 但大家也要洁身自好, 因为她毕竟是能够舍己忘我的. Vagabond小姐的布道,教训旁人, 有施无受, 不肯受人教训, 或许大概这就是我们久违的”自我牺牲精神” 吧. 其实在这里, 听着Vagabond小姐教训他人, 我还有一种艺术的感觉. 就好像有学问的教书, 不过是有学问罢了, 没有学问而偏能做导师, 好比无本钱的生意, 那就是艺术了. 看到Vagabond小姐对ruiyu25的”义正词严”的回复, 却令人感到是一种对自己的可信度衰退的掩饰. 就好比一个姿色减退的女子, 妆化不好, 就说少年女子的打扮不和适宜. 以此来教训他人而增加自己的骄傲, 不由自主的摆起架子,强迫别人来学你, 这倒让我想到上天惩罚人, 有时来一个荒年, 有时来一次瘟疫, 有时来一个英文导师, 抱有高尚得一般人实现不了的理想, 伴随着和她的理想成正比的自信心和煽动力, 融合成不自觉的狂妄. 这时候你切记不可以指出她的问题, 因为她会找几个你英文句子里的问题, 攻击你.  她的特征是很爱面子, 就象莎士比亚里Hamlet骂他未婚妻的话: God has given thou face, but you make yourself another(你化妆打扮, 也是爱面子而不要脸).

当Vagabond小姐讲到中国女子所以能嫁给洋人, 洋女人不嫁中国男人.也让我有了别的意味, 学英文似乎是嫁了阔老的公子, 宗旨倒并不在公子. 这种主权旁移, 包含了一个转了弯的, 不很朴素的人生观………待续

真是精彩啊，请继续！

vagabond

>>Even though one day was gone, but heat is unabated here, actually I admire what "V" MM did when she fought back, looked up dictionary, searched google, did everything possible she can to prove her point, this is exactly what we need to learn from her no matter whether you are studying in b-school or not. Besides, something I wanna point out, GMAT can represent your present reading, logic, calculation ability, it donesn't test your listening, speaking ability, this is why you have to take toefl test as international students, unfortunately for us, getting fluent english need a lot of time, a long period, but getting good gmat score donesn't have to. <<

Ucla's openness will make him improve more rapidly than do others, I'm pretty sure. Self-improvement is a kind of ability, but an appropriate self-assessment is the first step.

nanyusz

以下是引用lanslot在2004-11-9 8:07:00的发言：

hey, you know what? i'm at psu too! i guess you're the girl i met in the smeal information session! remember me? the guy from biology dept.?

nice to meet you here.

亦愚

当Vagabond小姐讲到中国女子所以能嫁给洋人, 洋女人不嫁中国男人.
也让我有了别的意味,学英文似乎是嫁了阔老的公子, 宗旨倒并不在
公子. 这种主权旁移, 包含了一个转了弯的, 不很朴素的人生观.
其实这倒也是假道学所提倡的，调情会变成恋爱,附庸风雅会养成
内行的鉴赏，世界上不少”真”货色都是从冒牌起的。所以假可以
说是真的学习时期。不过，假也好，真也好，行善必有善报。
真道学死后也许可以升天堂，假道学生前就可以上CD的讲堂。
这是多么令她欣慰的事.

其实我还有个一偏之见, 读了Vagabond小姐的批句, 让我顿悟到不配教训人的人其实是最宜教训人, 这样方能显出她的本领,造化. 而Vagabond小姐的反驳, 也突然感悟到肮脏的人其实也是爱洁的, 因为她宁可不洗澡也不愿用旁人的浴具, 一身”香”汗, 满口腥味, 也断然不可用旁人的牙刷和手巾. “洁身自好”倒是一句话颇有深度的成语.

我其实也常常的奇怪, 天下何以有这许多人, 自告奋勇来做义务导师, 发表文章, 教训一番. 大概是怕被人遗忘了. 好像古代帝王家里的仕女, 即使不被受宠, 也要涂了厚厚的胭脂, 惹的人多看几眼. 头脑简单的人也许要说她: 自己尚未长本领而教训他人, 那叫假本领. 我的回答是: 假本领也没什么不好, 也是可以得志的. 假本领比真本领更加难能可贵. 用真本领教训他人, 那算不得什么稀奇.用假本领教人才算得工夫.

我想人生总是有很多的感悟, 写点东西就只当是在人生边上注了眉批. 当然猴子的屁股大家也看尽了, 不如扯个淡早一点收场吧.

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-11-10 9:06:15编辑过]

valarie

I'm not saying my GMAT is that high, just as I said here before. I know you have scored a 770/+. But if you like, I wish you could write some English postings POSTS here so that I can decide to admire or look down upon (YOU).

It's so funny that someone who doesn't even know what would be appropriate standards/principles to judge people (she's making her decision solely based on one's so-called English ability) is making her awful judgements here and blindly thinks only her English is considered "REAL". Even if her English is so REAL, it can't make her any less of Chinese. What a pity!

Don't even try to judge me or my English by searching how much I scored in my Gmat. GMAT was just one day of my life. It's not the whole. Neither is English. For anyone who's studying in the US, it won't discount their being respectable person if they make spelling/grammer mistakes.

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-11-10 10:41:56编辑过]

valarie

问题的关键不在于此！有些人英语说不利落一样令我尊敬，而有些人即使满口流利英语一样被所有人鄙视！

Applause!

valarie

以下是引用亦愚在2004-11-10 8:59:00的发言：

当Vagabond小姐讲到中国女子所以能嫁给洋人, 洋女人不嫁中国男人.
也让我有了别的意味,学英文似乎是嫁了阔老的公子, 宗旨倒并不在
公子. 这种主权旁移, 包含了一个转了弯的, 不很朴素的人生观.
其实这倒也是假道学所提倡的，调情会变成恋爱,附庸风雅会养成
内行的鉴赏，世界上不少”真”货色都是从冒牌起的。所以假可以
说是真的学习时期。不过，假也好，真也好，行善必有善报。
真道学死后也许可以升天堂，假道学生前就可以上CD的讲堂。
这是多么令她欣慰的事.

其实我还有个一偏之见, 读了Vagabond小姐的批句, 让我顿悟到不配教训人的人其实是最宜教训人, 这样方能显出她的本领,造化. 而Vagabond小姐的反驳, 也突然感悟到肮脏的人其实也是爱洁的, 因为她宁可不洗澡也不愿用旁人的浴具, 一身”香”汗, 满口腥味, 也断然不可用旁人的牙刷和手巾. “洁身自好”倒是一句话颇有深度的成语.

Remind me of the work of Lu Xun. Ha!

delphine18

以下是引用lanslot在2004-11-9 10:26:00的发言：

oh please don't misunderstand. i'm only presenting something that i think might be indicative. i don't intend to irritate anybody.

BTW, your rebuttal is not very reasonable, i think. being upset is not a good reason to rebute.

i said estrogen difference, which i guess made you a little unhappy. again, please be understanding, i'm only saying "difference", i'm not saying "unpleasant feminine advantage".

plus i'm not talking for me, i'm pretty satisfied with my english actually. i'm only presenting TRUTH, that's what a scientist does, heihei.

So that's why you are only a scientist, but not a businessman