Chinese boys, you need to sharpen your spoken English ability

Dukie

以下是引用vagabond在2004-11-8 9:08:00的发言：

Do you guys know Merriam Webster Dictionary?

Here comes the definition of "to the contrary": - to the contrary 1 : on the contrary 2 : NOTWITHSTANDING

http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=contrary

That you never see it in your life does not mean there's no such use at all.

You posting just shows others here how ignorant you’re!

好可悲的人！难道你还不明白大家那样说你的原因吗？

白龙挑了你那么多的语法错误，你能够争辩这一条又有何用呢？

我觉得他之所以那样做并不是为了挑错而挑错，而是以其人之道还至其人之身，就好像你那样无礼地对待ruiyu一样！

该清醒的是你！

vagabond

>>白龙挑了你那么多的语法错误，你能够争辩这一条又有何用呢？<<

白龙's ignorance "impressed" me very much, but your inability to distinguish between right and wrong "impressed" me much more.

ucla

   Hot here, but I don't take sides, Vagabond, you bring up this "hot stuff", but you are not aware that you touch most of chinese "dude" 's nerves carelessly, they will natually hit back, this is understandable, honestly, oral english is decisive for career, as you know, former Microsft ceo of china is Wushihong, I believe there would be no second Ms. Wu to emerge in china, obviously her oral english contrubtes most to her career.

   In addition, if you are in us, why not copy native-speaker via TV, many amazing talk shows, many amazing dramas, many amazing channels, like cbs, abc, fox, cnn,hbo, usa,psb..... drammas like 24, Alias, Csi, west wing, everybody likes raymond, sex and city.....,  I believe you guys (in us) definitely can get ur english improved!!!!

   Back to china, most of students can see any foreign channels, restriction exists anywhere, this is why our students are still studying old-fashion english, describe "strange" never use "odd or weird", "joke" never use "kidding", "on earth" never use "the hell", "hang up phone" never use "have to go", "relax" never use "hang out"..........

  Freak me out !!!!

流沙

不论是非，楼主和其他人的一番讨论确实让我学到不少。如果楼主能够多写写自己如何提高自己英语能力的帖子就更好了。最近为我的英语说写水平狂发愁。

谢谢！

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-11-8 16:18:59编辑过]

WONDERLAND2004

vagabond 说得不错,可能在CD上有很多人的英文都很棒,但是不可否认大多数中国人的口语水平需要提高.

琥珀川白龙们讲得也对,我们确实比以前进步了很多.想想在80年代中后期,那时你能讲一口流利的英语不仅会让大家羡慕不已,也意味着你有很好的职业机会,但现在很少有外企仅仅为你的英文支付有竞争力的薪水了.

我无意做和事佬,但CD上的很多人都有相互帮助和相互鼓励的精神而且这里面我也看不出有原则性的分歧,没有必要为一两句话去抠字眼,甚至相互攻击.谢谢.

木木和木木

以下是引用dashasha在2004-11-8 6:19:00的发言：

楼主mm，我对你原文里的观点是非常赞同的，可是说是很欣赏的。可是，我觉得你把yurui的帖子拿出来，挨个指错的做法有些不妥。yurui的帖子观点虽然与你不尽相同，但是这也是她个人的观点，而她也以非常礼貌的方式表达出来了。而你的做法确实不够礼貌。我有一个观点不知道你同意否，英语口语非常非常重要，可是跟人交往的技巧也非常重要。怎样让周围的人觉得跟你相处很舒服是非常重要的，你说是吗?

最后，想说一句，很高兴看到你有这样的见识，但是说话如果能更婉转又在理，那就更好了。与你共勉。

这儿的rose 都不愿意老老实实站着，但还是请mm 笑纳吧。

20031128

楼主，观点基本正确，可是表达方式确实欠妥，特别值得一提的是：听到不同意见后的反应所体现出来的认识水平或者说心态与740分的GMAT成绩太不匹配了。窃以为成功的商业人士最重要的素质之一是能够有效的影响周围的人，让他们愉快地接受自己的观点，极端的表达方式只能让期望的目标不断远离自己。

可以判断的是这位同学的成长过程应该是比较顺利的那种，我以为能够虚心地接受批评意见、反对意见（哪怕是错误的），甚至多经历一些坎坷应该对人的成长更有帮助。追求MBA也不仅仅是提高知识水平、语言能力，我想这段经历（从考试开始）对于个人在认识方面的升华是大有裨益的。

望我们共勉。我的英文也需要提高，在这方面还要多向楼主请教。

tony6

以下是引用vagabond在2004-11-6 20:24:00的发言：

Here as a Tsinghua grad I'd like to challenge any Tsinghua English teacher. I think it is they who are ruining thousands of Tsinghua students from year to year. And they all should get fired. If they are qualified, please show me a 750 GMAT or 2350 GRE first and then teaching skills later. In this respect, New Oriental is saving students from sufferings, although not that thoroughly.

这句问题大了

据我所知，XDF教学水平比以前差太多了