Chinese boys, you need to sharpen your spoken English ability

vagabond

I create this thread not to beat somebody here but to wake up all Chinese boys.

I found most Chinese boys in US have very very very weak spoken English ability, in effect making them lose plenty of chances. Some even have lived in US for more than a decade, but I can't express any of my mercy to them. In some sense, they are representing China and, unfortunately, showing the World a damaged image, often a little bit retard (Sorry for my wording, but it's for real.). Try to think, how to hold somebody in high esteem in any country while he speaks English or Chinese far less fluently than does a 7-year-old kid.

For instance, a father told his son to “close the TV.” His son bantered, “How to close the TV? But you can ‘turn off the TV’."

Another example: when an IBM advisory engineer was presenting his job to peer Americans, due to his sucking oral English, most couldn't even understand what he was saying. It was totally a waste of others’ precious time. At last, the managers at all-levels decided not to let him present again, even though his computer programming expertise belongs to the first-tier. Otherwise, he’d get fired in no time.

A third example: a visiting scholar couldn't even talk with any of his job recruiters but asked for a paper interview instead. Never heard of! Until now, he is still jumping illegally from one restaurant to another as a humble waiter, just to make a living. I wonder why not go back to China as a well-respected professor of a top University, although his wife doesn't wish to?

To the contrary, many Chinese girls in US can speak a decent English, especially for those who have become girlfriends or wives of Americans. Within nearly 20 years, China may compete US for GDP or something. But India is playing a rapid catch-up, if only because Indians have an overwhelming English advantage over Chinese, I think every Chinese will feel sad till then.

China's formal English Education, in fact, is damaging millions of Chinese boys and girls year over year, whatever in vocabulary (less than 1/10, compared to Americans), pronunciation (more than 30% in error), spelling (more than 30% in error), or speaking and writing abilities(sometimes extremely poor). You guys just can't wait for its slow-paced reforms but reshape yourselves from now on. And five years later you guys may be able to compete anyone on the global marketplace and command a much-higher salary. You know what, that’s why a substantial number of US top B-School Chinese students, ironically, are English-major backgrounds.

Here as a Tsinghua grad I'd like to challenge any Tsinghua English teacher. I think it is they who are ruining thousands of Tsinghua students from year to year. And they all should get fired. If they are qualified, please show me a 750 GMAT or 2350 GRE first and then teaching skills later. In this respect, New Oriental is saving students from sufferings, although not that thoroughly.

Right now, US engineering and science graduate schools have been filled with Chinese students (over 3/4 in some Ph.D. programs), but at Wharton, only a tiny (less than) 3% are pure Mainland Chinese students and HBS has even less, perhaps explaining why in business-running arena China is still far far behind such well-developed countries as the United States.

Wake up, Chinese boys! Change yourselves, change the world! Never step into the miserable fates of most current Chinese boys in US. I wish someday I could see US top B-Schools would be filled with Chinese.

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-11-8 8:16:29编辑过]

philikittist

呵呵，口语差确实是通病

琥珀川白龙

以下是引用vagabond在2004-11-6 20:24:00的发言：

I create this thread not to beat somebody here but to wake up all Chinese boys.

Some even have lived in US for more than a decade, but I can't express any of my mercy to them. In some sense, they are representing China and, unfortunately, showing the World a damaged image, often a little bit retard (Sorry for my wording, but it's for real.). Try to think, how to hold somebody in high esteem in any country while he speaks English or Chinese far less fluently than does a 7-year-old kid.

不知道楼主发这样的帖子是什么心态？什么叫showing the World a damaged image？我猜你英语口语很好吧？你一定很自豪吧？

ChaseDream的精神是互助互勉，你这样的不友好的帖子很让我恶心！

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-11-6 22:05:28编辑过]

sfish

楼主说的基本上是事实，用词也许有些激烈，但我认为出发点是好的。不过顺便说一句，我们这里女生们的口语也不是很好的说。

nanyusz

以下是引用sfish在2004-11-6 22:48:00的发言：

楼主说的基本上是事实，用词也许有些激烈，但我认为出发点是好的。不过顺便说一句，我们这里女生们的口语也不是很好的说。

基本同意，不过总的来说，女生比男生要稍微好点。中国人的口语往往很不地道，不像印度人，虽然发音极怪，但却是很符合美国人的习惯。

yanying76

楼主说的有些道理，但总觉得看着别扭。

dashasha

非常支持楼主。虽然楼主的语言尖刻，但是说的非常有道理。不仅仅是男生，女生也应该提高。我喜欢看到这样一针见血的文章。

猫-利爪

可能楼主说的是事实。但是拿中国人和印度人比英语就好像说：旺财啊，你怎么就不能像小强一样会飞呢？

Dukie

我觉得楼主在放屁！

口语好也罢，不好也罢！关你何事？尤其是你说的什么在美国有了鬼佬男朋友的女生口语如何好，听得我不寒而栗！

同胞英语口语不好，你觉得丢人了是吧？很遗憾，谁叫你是个中国种儿呢？

大家在美国学习生活都很不容易，我不希望你把这样尖刻嘲讽的词句用在同胞身上！！！

sunshining

不过真的是事实啊，我觉得在美国做RA的就明显比做TA的口语差。但我觉得找老外做bf or lg算是例外吧，不能拿这个要求所有人，包括其他女生和Chinese boys

北大、清华这样的学校英语老师很多都是研究生带课，确实水平很一般，挺误人子弟的。