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751#
发表于 2012-3-9 03:22:09 | 只看该作者
好思路啊,谢谢饭饭~~
再次感叹逻辑问题就是要去建模。

啊?。。。。就饭饭自己用逻辑横纵坐标啊。。。。还以为大家都用呢呀。。。
就是从一个老师那里学来的,当时作文笔记阳光志愿者捐书给意外捐出去咯。。o(╯□╰)o。。
就是说issue高分作文有个共同的特征就是逻辑思维缜密。一般issue题目可以划分为两个重要元素。
以下以Suri北鼻刚刚提到的题目为例:“现在科技让人们关系越来越生疏”
1、分解出两个主要元素:现代科技-->横坐标:正向为应用现代科技,负向为不应用现代科技(或无现代科技的条件下)。
                                       人际关系-->纵坐标:正向为人际关系运作良好,负向则为冷漠啊疏离啊~
2、两个坐标4个象限(两坐标元素的不同组合)+两坐标的正负--->共8个部分可以展开讨论


这样issue就提升了它的逻辑完整性~整篇作文不可能全部讨论~也不一定越多愈好~~只是一种思维拓充,要根据具体题目进行灵活应用~~
-- by 会员 泾渭不凡 (2012/3/8 22:16:26)


amazing的横纵坐标,学到啦
因为issue我只知道个每段的模板,并不知道怎么去展开,哈哈,O(∩_∩)O谢谢饭萌萌啊~!!!
-- by 会员 Suri在奋斗 (2012/3/8 22:20:49)

752#
发表于 2012-3-9 03:37:39 | 只看该作者
这题我觉得你是取非出了问题....
causal relationship: high salt level -------> antibiotic ineffective (unable to resist bacteria)
Bible说,加强causal的一种途径是:
要加强X--->Y   去例证 no X---->no Y

如果要取非,high的非是not high,也就是low+normal,而不是low
所以C说的normal,更能证明结论。
而B说的是"unusually low"....unusually low的情况下effective,不能证明high就ineffective了。

贴一道错的逻辑题
Healthy lungs produce a natural antibiotic that protects them from infection by routinely killing harmful bacteria on airway surfaces.People with cystic fibrosis, however, are unable to fight off such bacteria, even though their lungs produce normal amounts of the antibiotic.The fluid on airway surfaces in the lungs of people with cystic fibrosis has an abnormally high salt concentration; accordingly, scientists hypothesize that the high salt concentration is what makes the antibiotic ineffective.


Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the scientists’ hypothesis?



A.When the salt concentration of the fluid on the airway surfaces of healthy people is raised artificially, the salt concentration soon returns to normal.

B.A sample of the antibiotic was capable of killing bacteria in an environment with an unusually low concentration of salt.

C.When lung tissue from people with cystic fibrosis is maintained in a solution with a normal salt concentration, the tissue can resist bacteria.

D.Many lung infections can be treated by applying synthetic antibiotics to the airway surfaces.

E.High salt concentrations have an antibiotic effect in many circumstances.

在b,c中选择了b
答案是c
-- by 会员 Suri在奋斗 (2012/3/8 23:30:26)

753#
 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-9 08:08:03 | 只看该作者
这题我觉得你是取非出了问题....
causal relationship: high salt level -------> antibiotic ineffective (unable to resist bacteria)
Bible说,加强causal的一种途径是:
要加强X--->Y   去例证 no X---->no Y

如果要取非,high的非是not high,也就是low+normal,而不是low
所以C说的normal,更能证明结论。
而B说的是"unusually low"....unusually low的情况下effective,不能证明high就ineffective了。

贴一道错的逻辑题
Healthy lungs produce a natural antibiotic that protects them from infection by routinely killing harmful bacteria on airway surfaces.People with cystic fibrosis, however, are unable to fight off such bacteria, even though their lungs produce normal amounts of the antibiotic.The fluid on airway surfaces in the lungs of people with cystic fibrosis has an abnormally high salt concentration; accordingly, scientists hypothesize that the high salt concentration is what makes the antibiotic ineffective.


Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the scientists’ hypothesis?



A.When the salt concentration of the fluid on the airway surfaces of healthy people is raised artificially, the salt concentration soon returns to normal.

B.A sample of the antibiotic was capable of killing bacteria in an environment with an unusually low concentration of salt.

C.When lung tissue from people with cystic fibrosis is maintained in a solution with a normal salt concentration, the tissue can resist bacteria.

D.Many lung infections can be treated by applying synthetic antibiotics to the airway surfaces.

E.High salt concentrations have an antibiotic effect in many circumstances.

在b,c中选择了b
答案是c
-- by 会员 Suri在奋斗 (2012/3/8 23:30:26)


-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/3/9 3:37:39)

high的非是not high,也就是low+normal,而不是low
对答案的时候也想到这点,有个abnormal,但还是觉得既然not abnormal是由low+abnormal两者共同构成
所以也就觉得b,c好像都占了边
现在看b与原来还有个usually low ···
还有b是a sample of是样本~~这样的共体中的一个小个体也不具有太大的说服了么~~
754#
发表于 2012-3-9 08:11:34 | 只看该作者
suri加油,我是来精神鼓励滴,嘻嘻!!

学习啦!
755#
 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-9 08:16:33 | 只看该作者
这题我在那回复了。反正我现在做逻辑题的思路都是先理清题意抽象成逻辑或者数学模型,就跟解应用题一样,这样就避免自己被那些很复杂的语言绕住,因为数学公式对我来说很straightforward. 所以那道题我的解释就是纯数学,control的概念

目标:研究变量(variant) x和变量y的关系
(x is called an independent variant; y is called a dependent variant. )
我们知道y=f(x, a, b, c, ....)                  y is a function of x, a, b, c, ...
那么就需要令a, b, c, ...统统恒定,变成常量(constant),这样就是:
y=f(x)

以上是这道题的逻辑基础,或者数学基础,想明白了就特简单。

http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_CR/thread-57558-1-1.html
非常trciky的题目,做了这道题目我越发的感觉,逻辑很重要的一方面是对内容的准确理解,越难的题目越是如此。很多NN都栽在这道题目上了,特此还有2位大N为此辩论写了AA呢!你有火眼金睛看出大N哪里出错了?
-- by 会员 yiayia (2012/3/8 21:38:31)



-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/3/9 2:58:58)


Smithtown University’s fund-raisers succeeded in getting donations from 80 percent of the potential donors they contacted. This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers, does not indicate that they were doing a good job. On the contrary, since the people most likely to donate are those who have donated in the past, good fundraisers constantly try less-likely prospects in an effort to expand the donor base. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.


Which of the following, if true, provides more support for the argument?



A. Smithtown University’s fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.


B. This year the average size of the donations to Smithtown University from new donors when the university’s fund-raisers had contacted was larger than the average size of donations from donors who had given to the university before.


C. This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university’s fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.


D. The majority of the donations that fund-raisers succeeded in getting for Smithtown University this year were from donors who had never given to the university before
E. More than half of the money raised by Smithtown University’s fund-raisers came from donors who had never previously donated to the university.




Conclusion. SU not good fundraiser
Premise 1. (fact) SU high successful rate
Premise 2. good fundraiser try less-likely-donors

由Premise 2. 作者潜在的含义是:
for good fundraiser: try many less-likely-donors <------> low successful rate
可以看出,作者推出conclusion基于的直接assumption是:
ASSUMPTION: high successful rate <-------> not try many less-likely-donors (in this sense, not good fundraiser)
这就是assumption,说白了,就是把"successful rate"和"try less-likely-donors"架桥。

于是我们进行prephrase,推测正确选项应该是validate this assumption.

那么A,就是明显满足。A干的事情,在科学研究上叫做control,将其他条件的影响限定为0。A说的是,在less-likely-donors这部分pool里,SU和别的学校的successful rate相等。

如果同学认为以上control的概念不是那么straightforward,我再用数学公式来解释
咱要讨论的"successful rate"是overall successful rate,设为r
分为两个sample pools:
Pool 1. less-likely-donor     设success rate为 r1       这部分人占的比例x%
Pool 2. more-likely-donor     设success rate为 r2      这部分人占的比例(100-x)%
条件r1<r2
r=r1*x% + r2*(100-x)%          

  • 作者的逻辑是:r大,就证明x小(r2那一项的“比重”大),也就是说not good fundraiser
    但是
  • 式的变量太多,决定r的变量,除了x之外,还有r1, r2.
    当r1, r2恒定的时候,基于r1<r2,我们从逻辑上可以完美推出r和x之间的关系,如作者所述(r大,则x小)。
    所以,A选项干的事情,就是令r1恒定("were successful ... as frequently as")。

    C is totally out-of-scope.
    以上讨论的范围是那些have been contacted的人(分为less-likely-donor和more-likely-donor两部分),C说的是关于people not having been contacted. 所以out-of-scope.

    把baby姐姐的粘贴过来了,恩恩,懂了,这样架桥或者是按数学来推是一目了然~!!
  • 756#
     楼主| 发表于 2012-3-9 08:17:39 | 只看该作者
    suri加油,我是来精神鼓励滴,嘻嘻!!

    学习啦!
    -- by 会员 phoebe0624 (2012/3/9 8:11:34)


    加油加油~!!菲比姐姐早哇~!
    757#
    发表于 2012-3-9 10:31:55 | 只看该作者
    suri状态不错呀~保持住哦!一起加油!!

    AWA我最近也是写写JJ题目,建立一下写作思路。
    不过我的打字速度还比较慢~还不是每次都能打到四百字~要努力了!!!

    今天到机房去正好碰上在上C++实验课,老师讲课太有激情了,弄得老是集中不了精力,写得好凌乱~
    758#
     楼主| 发表于 2012-3-9 11:13:25 | 只看该作者
    suri状态不错呀~保持住哦!一起加油!!

    AWA我最近也是写写JJ题目,建立一下写作思路。
    不过我的打字速度还比较慢~还不是每次都能打到四百字~要努力了!!!

    今天到机房去正好碰上在上C++实验课,老师讲课太有激情了,弄得老是集中不了精力,写得好凌乱~
    -- by 会员 teddybearj4 (2012/3/9 10:31:55)

    我分享的有那个jj的链接,找上面的题目,写下自己的观点哈,这样到时候就心中有数了
    先写自己的想法再看jj的想法,有时候可能我们想到了没考虑到的点
    加油加油~!!
    759#
    发表于 2012-3-9 11:55:58 | 只看该作者
    suri~你们现在每天都在讨论逻辑题吗?是哪个资料的,我也想加入哇
    760#
    发表于 2012-3-9 12:08:53 | 只看该作者
    对呀~AWA思路什么的最重要,对于这种逻辑性的作文题目,好的思路就是成功的一半了,而且只要打字快一些就不愁写不出东西了~
    加油加油!

    suri状态不错呀~保持住哦!一起加油!!

    AWA我最近也是写写JJ题目,建立一下写作思路。
    不过我的打字速度还比较慢~还不是每次都能打到四百字~要努力了!!!

    今天到机房去正好碰上在上C++实验课,老师讲课太有激情了,弄得老是集中不了精力,写得好凌乱~
    -- by 会员 teddybearj4 (2012/3/9 10:31:55)


    我分享的有那个jj的链接,找上面的题目,写下自己的观点哈,这样到时候就心中有数了
    先写自己的想法再看jj的想法,有时候可能我们想到了没考虑到的点
    加油加油~!!
    -- by 会员 Suri在奋斗 (2012/3/9 11:13:25)

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