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21#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-20 00:00:18 | 只看该作者
非常感谢您的建议,给了我一个很好的定位!
我的想法是这样的,这2个top我会申请,至少try一下嘛,不报太大希望,因为就像楼上有同鞋所说我最大的弱项就是毕业学校非名校,另外是GMAT分数不够高。但是试过了不行也没有遗憾嘛!

其他的学校就定位在类似purdue, IU这样的学校,至于UIC也确实太弱了些,那些faculty好像根本没有做modeling的

总之,多谢zjq!


1.对于大部分的modeling申请者,有一篇B level的publication已经足够stand out ,难道申请的时候就要发一篇QME才算突出?

2.Northwestern对于modeling申请者的要求明显比CB的低,何况他们家这三年来每年都招5-6个。LZ的背景至少不比前两年进去这个项目的中国人差(I bet),他们家第一轮发出10个左右的interview很正常的,拿到interview肯定是很有希望的(这样说也许更加合理一点?)

3.申UIC完全就是坑爹了。UIUC的CB不错,特别是现在Wyer在那边的心理系,但是我不认为这是一个decent program for modeling.
如果LZ不一定限制在芝加哥地区,稍微远一些的UMN,Umich,Olin,Indiana,Purdue,Rochester这些都可以试试。
我倒是认为既然申请的时候都有两篇B journal,说明LZ至少还是有不错的研究潜力的。去个像UIC这种基本没有faculty能发A journal的学校实在是没有意义。个人之见,仅供参考。
It is ok to encourage prospective students. But any one who takes this comment seriously is fooling himself.

JBR is a decent journal, but not even close to be considered as a strong publication in marketing. Northwestern is a highly selective school. His background may have a shot in this school, but a free ticket? No way. Chicago Booth is definitely out of his reach.

Please be more realistic. A feasible application strategy would be consider more OK schools like UIC. Try to apply a few decent schools such as UIUC, and one or two top schools.



top candidate!这样的背景申西北的quant问题不大,芝加哥不好说
GMAT 刚考完,730
本科国内二流学校 finance, GPA 3.6多点
MBA 美国一小学校,AACSB认证,就是没什么排名而已。GPA 3.91
没啥工作经验
还有就是读MBA期间和教授合作发了2个还不错的marketing modeling paper,一个jbr, 一个journal of retailing and consumer services

这样的条件,marketing quant方向能报什么样的学校在中部地区?西北和芝加哥有戏吗?
另外除了这2个学校,还请推荐下比较合适的。。。

真是愁完了gmat,开始愁选校了:-(
-- by 会员 zhipei (2011/10/18 2:14:00)






-- by 会员 zjq407 (2011/10/18 12:05:13)





-- by 会员 benxu (2011/10/19 13:18:41)




-- by 会员 zjq407 (2011/10/19 17:15:23)

22#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-20 00:04:26 | 只看该作者
良药苦口,多谢提醒!我会再仔细研究一下他的paper.

Read Chitagunta's papers at first.  Do they read similar to your working projects?

Please be aware that Chicago is on par with MIT and Stanford. Sorry that I am about to say this, but there is no chance for him.

GMAT没有优势,不过多跟老师陶瓷还是很有机会的,背景很好啊!芝加哥的chintagunta不错,虽然是阿三,但是人挺好的,适合陶瓷。
-- by 会员 jackraywen (2011/10/19 4:34:52)


-- by 会员 benxu (2011/10/19 13:24:57)

23#
发表于 2011-10-20 00:36:36 | 只看该作者
以两个期刊的风格来看
你发的paper是基于survey做的structural equation modeling?
还是基于panel data等客观数据所做的“真正”的modeling?
如果是前者,申modeling的加分要小一些
如果是后者,至少可以说明你受过一些modeling的训练
如果你把structural equation modeling当做modeling写在PS里面了
申top school可能反而引起faculty的负面评价
只是确认一下,如果你做的是后者,当然最好了


GMAT 刚考完,730
本科国内二流学校 finance, GPA 3.6多点
MBA 美国一小学校,AACSB认证,就是没什么排名而已。GPA 3.91
没啥工作经验
还有就是读MBA期间和教授合作发了2个还不错的marketing modeling paper,一个jbr, 一个journal of retailing and consumer services

这样的条件,marketing quant方向能报什么样的学校在中部地区?西北和芝加哥有戏吗?
另外除了这2个学校,还请推荐下比较合适的。。。

真是愁完了gmat,开始愁选校了:-(
-- by 会员 zhipei (2011/10/18 2:14:00)

24#
发表于 2011-10-20 01:12:39 | 只看该作者
同意ben和楼上
客观的说,第二本我是没听说。JBR做modeling?SEM 当然不能算,我没看到jbr有很多纯粹modeling的paper
申请个中档次偏上的学校我看有戏,芝加哥那2个,如果你不发那基本最好的,人家反到希望你白纸。
JBR对于这两所基本nothing。
25#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-20 11:03:19 | 只看该作者
the methodology we used in our paper is game theory plus Bayesian forecasting



以两个期刊的风格来看
你发的paper是基于survey做的structural equation modeling?
还是基于panel data等客观数据所做的“真正”的modeling?
如果是前者,申modeling的加分要小一些
如果是后者,至少可以说明你受过一些modeling的训练
如果你把structural equation modeling当做modeling写在PS里面了
申top school可能反而引起faculty的负面评价
只是确认一下,如果你做的是后者,当然最好了


GMAT 刚考完,730
本科国内二流学校 finance, GPA 3.6多点
MBA 美国一小学校,AACSB认证,就是没什么排名而已。GPA 3.91
没啥工作经验
还有就是读MBA期间和教授合作发了2个还不错的marketing modeling paper,一个jbr, 一个journal of retailing and consumer services

这样的条件,marketing quant方向能报什么样的学校在中部地区?西北和芝加哥有戏吗?
另外除了这2个学校,还请推荐下比较合适的。。。

真是愁完了gmat,开始愁选校了:-(
-- by 会员 zhipei (2011/10/18 2:14:00)


-- by 会员 jangle (2011/10/20 0:36:36)

26#
发表于 2011-10-20 11:11:35 | 只看该作者
那很不错嘛
西北和芝加哥肯定要申一下
说不定运气好就拿到offer了
申不上又不亏


the methodology we used in our paper is game theory plus Bayesian forecasting



以两个期刊的风格来看
你发的paper是基于survey做的structural equation modeling?
还是基于panel data等客观数据所做的“真正”的modeling?
如果是前者,申modeling的加分要小一些
如果是后者,至少可以说明你受过一些modeling的训练
如果你把structural equation modeling当做modeling写在PS里面了
申top school可能反而引起faculty的负面评价
只是确认一下,如果你做的是后者,当然最好了


GMAT 刚考完,730
本科国内二流学校 finance, GPA 3.6多点
MBA 美国一小学校,AACSB认证,就是没什么排名而已。GPA 3.91
没啥工作经验
还有就是读MBA期间和教授合作发了2个还不错的marketing modeling paper,一个jbr, 一个journal of retailing and consumer services

这样的条件,marketing quant方向能报什么样的学校在中部地区?西北和芝加哥有戏吗?
另外除了这2个学校,还请推荐下比较合适的。。。

真是愁完了gmat,开始愁选校了:-(
-- by 会员 zhipei (2011/10/18 2:14:00)



-- by 会员 jangle (2011/10/20 0:36:36)


-- by 会员 zhipei (2011/10/20 11:03:19)

27#
发表于 2011-10-20 12:07:58 | 只看该作者
JBR还可以了,今年申quant mkt的表示鸭梨很大^^
28#
发表于 2011-10-20 15:55:20 | 只看该作者
Wow. Game and Bayesian? I never knew a MBA student can publish using these methods. And you said it was a mediocre school from which you obtained the MBA degree, and you did it as a part time RA?


I have to say, this is amazing. JBR is nothing, but such achievement may count for something. I am sure some faculty would have interest to read your working sample.  Just prepare not to disappoint them.


Like many others, I also believe in aiming high. But I suppose to aim realistically is the reason that you are asking the question here. Nothing turn top faculty off more than reading a lousy paper. But if you believe in the quality of your work, and more importantly, if you believe in your research potential, then give it a shot to apply the first-tier schools.


Besides, UIC is not that bad actually. I heard it is also competitive. My impression is that it's better than most of the third tier schools both in jm placement and in academic networking. However, I did not say that it would be a good fit with your research interest, which I did not know much about from your first post.






the methodology we used in our paper is game theory plus Bayesian forecasting



以两个期刊的风格来看
你发的paper是基于survey做的structural equation modeling?
还是基于panel data等客观数据所做的“真正”的modeling?
如果是前者,申modeling的加分要小一些
如果是后者,至少可以说明你受过一些modeling的训练
如果你把structural equation modeling当做modeling写在PS里面了
申top school可能反而引起faculty的负面评价
只是确认一下,如果你做的是后者,当然最好了


GMAT 刚考完,730
本科国内二流学校 finance, GPA 3.6多点
MBA 美国一小学校,AACSB认证,就是没什么排名而已。GPA 3.91
没啥工作经验
还有就是读MBA期间和教授合作发了2个还不错的marketing modeling paper,一个jbr, 一个journal of retailing and consumer services

这样的条件,marketing quant方向能报什么样的学校在中部地区?西北和芝加哥有戏吗?
另外除了这2个学校,还请推荐下比较合适的。。。

真是愁完了gmat,开始愁选校了:-(
-- by 会员 zhipei (2011/10/18 2:14:00)



-- by 会员 jangle (2011/10/20 0:36:36)


-- by 会员 zhipei (2011/10/20 11:03:19)

29#
发表于 2011-10-20 15:57:33 | 只看该作者


If Jangle said do it, then you may want to do it.






那很不错嘛
西北和芝加哥肯定要申一下
说不定运气好就拿到offer了
申不上又不亏


the methodology we used in our paper is game theory plus Bayesian forecasting



以两个期刊的风格来看
你发的paper是基于survey做的structural equation modeling?
还是基于panel data等客观数据所做的“真正”的modeling?
如果是前者,申modeling的加分要小一些
如果是后者,至少可以说明你受过一些modeling的训练
如果你把structural equation modeling当做modeling写在PS里面了
申top school可能反而引起faculty的负面评价
只是确认一下,如果你做的是后者,当然最好了


GMAT 刚考完,730
本科国内二流学校 finance, GPA 3.6多点
MBA 美国一小学校,AACSB认证,就是没什么排名而已。GPA 3.91
没啥工作经验
还有就是读MBA期间和教授合作发了2个还不错的marketing modeling paper,一个jbr, 一个journal of retailing and consumer services

这样的条件,marketing quant方向能报什么样的学校在中部地区?西北和芝加哥有戏吗?
另外除了这2个学校,还请推荐下比较合适的。。。

真是愁完了gmat,开始愁选校了:-(
-- by 会员 zhipei (2011/10/18 2:14:00)




-- by 会员 jangle (2011/10/20 0:36:36)



-- by 会员 zhipei (2011/10/20 11:03:19)


-- by 会员 jangle (2011/10/20 11:11:35)

30#
发表于 2011-10-20 16:19:17 | 只看该作者
You have a good point. But you did not argue right.


1. It's true that most applicants do not have publications. So even a C journal stands out.


2. "What paper" factors more weight than "which journal," especially for the top schools, if you know what I mean.


3. JBR may impress second/third tier schools. That's about it. But a high-quality working paper may impress MIT.


4. Most of Northwestern interviews go to same applicants who receive offers from Wharton, Berkeley, and Columbia, etc. Read their admission statistics, and then tell me is it that easy to get into Northwestern.


I am not saying it is impossible for a non-top graduate to be accepted by Kellogg.


5. Chicago is a blue blood school, if you know what I mean.


6. Rochester is in Mid-US? LOL. I agree it feels like it does.






1.对于大部分的modeling申请者,有一篇B level的publication已经足够stand out ,难道申请的时候就要发一篇QME才算突出?

2.Northwestern对于modeling申请者的要求明显比CB的低,何况他们家这三年来每年都招5-6个。LZ的背景至少不比前两年进去这个项目的中国人差(I bet),他们家第一轮发出10个左右的interview很正常的,拿到interview肯定是很有希望的(这样说也许更加合理一点?)

3.申UIC完全就是坑爹了。UIUC的CB不错,特别是现在Wyer在那边的心理系,但是我不认为这是一个decent program for modeling.
如果LZ不一定限制在芝加哥地区,稍微远一些的UMN,Umich,Olin,Indiana,Purdue,Rochester这些都可以试试。
我倒是认为既然申请的时候都有两篇B journal,说明LZ至少还是有不错的研究潜力的。去个像UIC这种基本没有faculty能发A journal的学校实在是没有意义。个人之见,仅供参考。
It is ok to encourage prospective students. But any one who takes this comment seriously is fooling himself.

JBR is a decent journal, but not even close to be considered as a strong publication in marketing. Northwestern is a highly selective school. His background may have a shot in this school, but a free ticket? No way. Chicago Booth is definitely out of his reach.

Please be more realistic. A feasible application strategy would be consider more OK schools like UIC. Try to apply a few decent schools such as UIUC, and one or two top schools.



top candidate!这样的背景申西北的quant问题不大,芝加哥不好说
GMAT 刚考完,730
本科国内二流学校 finance, GPA 3.6多点
MBA 美国一小学校,AACSB认证,就是没什么排名而已。GPA 3.91
没啥工作经验
还有就是读MBA期间和教授合作发了2个还不错的marketing modeling paper,一个jbr, 一个journal of retailing and consumer services

这样的条件,marketing quant方向能报什么样的学校在中部地区?西北和芝加哥有戏吗?
另外除了这2个学校,还请推荐下比较合适的。。。

真是愁完了gmat,开始愁选校了:-(
-- by 会员 zhipei (2011/10/18 2:14:00)






-- by 会员 zjq407 (2011/10/18 12:05:13)





-- by 会员 benxu (2011/10/19 13:18:41)




-- by 会员 zjq407 (2011/10/19 17:15:23)



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