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41#
发表于 2008-10-20 03:34:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用站在水的中央在2008-10-20 3:13:00的发言:

好久没来这个版了,发现人民群众和hedge的斗争还在进行中

说老实话,偶以前也觉得hedge有些偏激,不过自己在ib这个行业待久了,发现人不免变得cynical了,其实hedge说的大多数还是有道理的。

以我自己的例子来说好了,大学毕业后若干年年的职业,求学奋斗目标都是要进ib,梦想成真之后慢慢地开始想,这是我真的可以做十几二十年的事业么?疑问越来越大的说

欢迎回来,常回来转转。

H大师提供的信息本身没有太大的是非,但核心问题是阴谋论,以及H大师讨论问题时那种态度,让理性的讨论很难进行下去,而且对局外人很容易误导

回到楼主的思考,其实每个人恐怕都在考虑什么才是自己真正的理想职业,而且这个答案可能不断的会更新。老实说,投行这个业务模式肯定存在着很多需要修正的地方;另外,投行的文化、工作强度、对人的能力要求(不同级别,以及execution与marketing),都决定了很多人可能进了这个行业之后,又会由新鲜转而疲惫转而换行。其实,哪个行业不是这样的呢。围城啊

呵呵,也许,职业生涯的前面十年就是为了让人不断摸索社会和了解自我的吧

42#
发表于 2008-10-20 12:54:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用hedge在2008-10-19 19:35:00的发言:

哦,这样子,啥叫societe generale?

不过话说回来了,你在伦敦连LME都不知道? 别混了

     你不知道很正常,侧面反映出你是民科.

     不懂structured finance,自己去google下.


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43#
发表于 2008-10-20 13:33:00 | 只看该作者
那个不是第二个巴林银行么?
44#
发表于 2008-10-20 13:52:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用xun在2008-10-20 2:47:00的发言:

石油价格暴涨暴跌据说是投行玩坐庄。。。

摩根一向是阴谋论的中心人物。

鲍尔森去年来中国忽悠中国政府买次债,也不是好鸟。

when a machine broke down, who is to blame, the malfunctioning component, or the engineer hand-making the system?

think about it......

45#
发表于 2008-10-20 23:09:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用klex在2008-10-20 12:54:00的发言:

     你不知道很正常,侧面反映出你是民科.

     不懂structured finance,自己去google下.


哦,索罗斯是哲学专业的,他也是民科。

你是人才!作fix income的非初学者的专业型人才!

另外,你的判断相当正确,我是金融期货专业方向,用你的标准来看不是科班,而是民科。呵呵


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46#
发表于 2008-10-21 01:50:00 | 只看该作者
小可不知,请问大师:天津民航学院本科有金融期货专业吗?
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47#
发表于 2008-10-21 04:31:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用klex在2008-10-20 12:54:00的发言:

     你不知道很正常,侧面反映出你是民科.

     不懂structured finance,自己去google下.


爱因斯坦是什么专业毕业的?照你这么说,中国主流的经济学家都是民科,因为20年前中国没有正经的经济学

48#
发表于 2008-10-21 06:03:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用dhdlorent在2008-10-20 13:52:00的发言:

when a machine broke down, who is to blame, the malfunctioning component, or the engineer hand-making the system?

think about it......

The thing is, too much ideology is involved in defending both the malfunctioning component and the system. Neoliberalism always claim the free world is always alright, when it fails, it is an accident, and it can learn and correct itself from the past. Too much these kind of pseudo science with a ideology core just fool the ordinary folks around.

 Let's face the facts-

the natural leverge a future contract bears make it a natural speculation tool than traditional contract; the future price is a poor predictor of the price in future empiracally; Hedge funds trade at a very large proportion in Chicago commodity future; there was less Real demand for oil this summer than this winter; and finally, price can be manipulated by large traders.

However, ass determines thought. The derivative industry always propose their assumptions instead of the facts below:

Future provides a hedge tool for real players (while if future trading adds volatility to both future and spot prices, this hedge offers little better-off to them in a worsened context) ;

 the speculation will allow smart predictors to make money in order to smooth out the volatility ( this is a joke, no hedge fund seriously adds up all the economic data and act on that theorectical price, or at least no one succeeds this way so far. The easy way, though, is to manipulate the market to get a bullish momentum and quit at high price, or simply be bullish when the market is already bullish, be bearish when the market is already bearish);

Hedge funds provide liquidity for real market participants ( they creat volatility too) ;

The price of oil is simply supply and demand ( demand for a commodity not only means I want it because I need to use it, but includes that I want it because I think I can sell it at an even higher price (speculative demand). Just think of real estate bubbles)

Market participants are sparse and price takers. (Are you living in a world without Morgans? Haven't you ever read any nonfiction bestseller on WS plots? Find a book and get educated)

Finally and Finally, FBI has sent agents to investigate the suspected oil future manipulation and the credit swap derivative which was assumed to contribute the collapse of big banks. Are you smarter than them? Are you in a more detached position than them? Or are all your sayings just intend to defend your high salary?

49#
发表于 2008-10-21 06:19:00 | 只看该作者
md,quan工物理数学计算机的民科比我们这些正经finance专业还吃香
50#
发表于 2008-10-21 10:13:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用ppeema在2008-10-21 4:31:00的发言:

爱因斯坦是什么专业毕业的?照你这么说,中国主流的经济学家都是民科,因为20年前中国没有正经的经济学

没功夫和你瞎扯淡,还爱因斯坦也来了,经济也来了,过几天咸蛋超人也要来了.

最近3个星期,人快疯了,年终奖肯定是没了.股指跳水, 人人都在担心饭碗。


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