og79的D再问一次【之前的帖子没看明白】

gonghao · 发表于 2006-6-23 11:20:00

79 When hypnotized subjects are told that they are deaf and are then asked whether they can hear the hypnotist, they reply, “No.” Some theorists try to explain this result by arguing that the selves of hypnotized subjects are dissociated into separate parts, and that the part that is deaf is dissociated from the part that replies.

Which of the following challenges indicates the most serious weakness in the attempted explanation described above?

(A) Why does the part that replies not answer, “Yes”?

(B) Why are the observed facts in need of any special explanation?

(C) Why do the subjects appear to accept the hypnotist’s suggestion that they are deaf?

(D) Why do hypnotized subjects all respond the same way in the situation described?

(E) Why are the separate parts of the self the same for all subjects?

weaken的话A没有问题。但对于D这样的反问句，似乎也是在weaken啊

为什么hypnotized subjects总是一个回答，这个似乎也是在说老是在回答yes或者老是在回答NO。这样回答就不是随机的，从而削弱了结论。这样理解D的话，D是否有可能也该是答案呢？

gonghao · 发表于 2006-6-24 08:55:00

ding

wycg · 发表于 2006-6-25 11:50:00

那个D好象不能weaken原文.就算是他们的回答总是一个NO或YES.也不能weaken原文的"the part that is deaf is dissociated from the part that replies." 个人看法

gonghao · 发表于 2006-6-25 12:04:00

A的意思不就是说，为什么没人回答yes嘛？也就是说答案应该是随机的yes和no都该有

那这个D似乎也再说他们的答案不随机，老是以同一个方式回答，也该是说明他不随机啊。不是也应该weaken了嘛？

wycg · 发表于 2006-6-25 14:20:00

以下是引用gonghao在2006-6-25 12:04:00的发言：

A的意思不就是说，为什么没人回答yes嘛？也就是说答案应该是随机的yes和no都该有

那这个D似乎也再说他们的答案不随机，老是以同一个方式回答，也该是说明他不随机啊。不是也应该weaken了嘛？

不是这样的.这题的思考点就在于: 如果deaf了,那他们还能reply NO吗? 不是随机的问题.楼主再想想.

另外你看看这个贴子:

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=24&ID=170648&replyID=1606070&skin=1

最后的yaoyao的回贴,我比较认同.

gonghao · 发表于 2006-6-25 15:15:00

The theory: subject is separated into 2 parts
1. the deaf part
2. the part that replies (but not deaf)

If part 1 were in control, then the subject shouldn't reply.
If part 2 were in control, then the subject should reply "yes" (choice A).

我就是看了这帖子没明白，或者说我更加觉得D也是在weaken了

A，我没问题，reply的部分应该是说yes的，但是没有，所以被weaken

D：为什么所有的subjects都按一个方式回答。意思就是应该是不同的意思回答。因为【If part 1 were in control, then the subject shouldn't reply.If part 2 were in control, then the subject should reply "yes" .】所以不应该是同一个方式回答“yes或者no”的。也就是说 the part that replies 应是yes，the deaf part应该是no。我觉的和A一样啊

wycg · 发表于 2006-6-25 15:26:00

以下是引用gonghao在2006-6-25 15:15:00的发言：

The theory: subject is separated into 2 parts
1. the deaf part
2. the part that replies (but not deaf)

If part 1 were in control, then the subject shouldn't reply.
If part 2 were in control, then the subject should reply "yes" (choice A).

我就是看了这帖子没明白，或者说我更加觉得D也是在weaken了

A，我没问题，reply的部分应该是说yes的，但是没有，所以被weaken

D：为什么所有的subjects都按一个方式回答。意思就是应该是不同的意思回答。因为【If part 1 were in control, then the subject shouldn't reply.If part 2 were in control, then the subject should reply "yes" .】所以不应该是同一个方式回答“yes或者no”的。也就是说 the part that replies 应是yes，the deaf part应该是no。我觉的和A一样啊

If part 1 were in control, then the subject shouldn't reply.
If part 2 were in control, then the subject should reply "yes".

这里只有yes, 没有回答no的呀. Part1的话就不能回答了.

gonghao · 发表于 2006-6-25 15:58:00

那提干里说了

问他们是否听见，他们说NO

明明回答了啊，而不是【shouldn't reply.】

gonghao · 发表于 2006-6-25 15:59:00

难道你的意思是

yes和no都是reply部分发出的？

gonghao · 发表于 2006-6-25 16:13:00

我觉的reply no只是回答研究人员的问题“是否听见之前的东西”，他说no，意思就是没有听到

而不该是理解成，没有听到就和一个电线杆一样，一语不发啊，他回答no其实就是因为deaf的部分造成的啊

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