在bw看到的，真气人，某跟贴的ABC更可气

supernino

that is why chinese are smart......haha.........work hard and smart...

smocky

他无非就是在暗示，中国学生其实很多并不是合格的申请者，起码在GMAT这一点上。

进好学校的中国学生，进好研究生院的中国学生，哪个是到了美国学校以后 （这回美国学校是无法作弊了吧，没人所谓透露题了吧）考试不过关，而drop out，而无法继续学业的，恰恰相反，在美国学校里，中国学生照样学习出类拔萃吧？GPA高，拿奖学金比例大，都充分说明这一点。

这些说明什么呢： 1）这些中国学生deserve a spot in any top schools, bcs these students are the best, whichever school they are; 2) 这些美国好学校没招错人，没有招那些phony， 没有招那些cheater。

中国学生考分高，其实最根本的因素是两个 “聪明勤奋”：一。数学的确比大部分tester都好，起码是底子好(谁让我们的高中教育高标准，严要求呢)； 二。令人敬佩的勤奋。那些考高分的大N前辈们，哪个不是滴水穿石，日夜耕耘，坚忍不拔？付出的努力不比任何考高分的国外学生少。 聪明勤奋的学生考高分，有什么稀奇？天经地义。

而且,相信这个老外也明白 （如果他是个明白人），bschool申请gmat分数绝对不是decisive factor，工作能力，领导潜力，优秀的品质，独到的见解，远大的抱负，这些里面哪一个不是日积月累出来的，in bschool, everyone EARN his/her own seat.. 有这些品质的applicant，怎么会允许自己是个cheater?

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-15 0:12:27编辑过]

一件背心

哦？这么说背机井不算作弊？

chenxinpku

I just gave some replies to some of those arrogant and innocent f**kers.

cheneaz

这里是BW讨论的链接:
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=bw-bschools&nav=messages&tid=67818&tsn=

有个中国人这样说NJ_for_mba)

Cheating, or at least the perception
of cheating, is well established in some parts of Asia, particularly
China. It is widely understood that doing business in China presents
problems, and companies worry over copyright/IPR issues right up front
in dealing with Chinese companies. I am sure that some level of
cheating occurs everywhere, but not to this same extent.

I am an ARC (American raised Chinese), so this issue is particularly
bothersome to me. I am sure that when b-schools see my name, a red flag
goes up. My saving grace is the personal contact I make with admissions
staff to assure them that, culturally, I have little firsthand exposure
to Asia since my background, language skills, and accent make it pretty
clear that I was raised in the US.

当时有点气愤, 所以回了个贴, 说 To nj_for_mba:

If you are bothered for being borned as a
Chinese, I have a better idea for you to make adcom believe you are not
Chinese anymore:

Stick your US passport or citizenship card on
your face, body and butt, demonstrating that you are indeed an ARC (
What a trash name).  If you are not a US citizen yet - well, i am
sorry, that's the way you are born to be. You can cry or go back and
blame your parents. Maybe they will spank you for being not mature.

事后想想, 真是多此一举. 这样不是把事情搞的路人皆知了。

p200002

咱看了后只能无言.记得最近看见报道,GRE的考题要改了.组织GRE考试的人说,改考题就是为了防止中国学生记了现场考试题目然后POST到网上给大家共享.TOEFL已经改了INTERNET BASED,也是对付中国学生.

eeyupyup

The case abovementioned might be an extreme. But XDF was sued by GMAC. It is the fact that cant be ignored. And who didnt use GWD?? (i am not innocent either) I am not saying GWD is a must to score a high 700, but gwd will definitely help to improve the score.

A better argument might be

1. Cheating is not a phenomena exclusive to china. It occurs in every other countries as well.

2. Most chinese are hard working individuals to overcome the language barrier. Cheating wont help to improve our GMAT score without our very dedicated work. Some people might overlook the effect of cheating, thinking GWD can help a gmat-560 person to reach a 780 score, which is not true.

3. Top business programs are smart enough to not just look at gmat scores when choosing their candidates. And the success of current chinese students in top programs has proven their credentials.

4. Overall, Chinese are competing against Chinese. So why bothers if you are not chinese!!!

pooryou

LS的,这样写的话不是暴露GWD了吗?

另外,我个人觉得看机经,大家交流经验, 不能算cheat,只能说是trick.现实的商业社会里,哪家公司不用trick?还不是争着钻法律的空子,千方百计的避税, 很多跨国公司通过关联企业转移利润降低缴税额也是其中一种吧.

pooryou

刚看了那个新闻, 提到了网站的问题,不知道这样会不会影响CD啊,管理员小心

leighyao

Cheating, or at least the perception
of cheating, is well established in some parts of Asia, particularly
China. It is widely understood that doing business in China presents
problems, and companies worry over copyright/IPR issues right up front
in dealing with Chinese companies. I am sure that some level of
cheating occurs everywhere, but not to this same extent.

I am an ARC (American raised Chinese), so this issue is particularly
bothersome to me. I am sure that when b-schools see my name, a red flag
goes up. My saving grace is the personal contact I make with admissions
staff to assure them that, culturally, I have little firsthand exposure
to Asia since my background, language skills, and accent make it pretty
clear that I was raised in the US.

当时有点气愤, 所以回了个贴, 说 To nj_for_mba:

If you are bothered for being borned as a
Chinese, I have a better idea for you to make adcom believe you are not
Chinese anymore:

Stick your US passport or citizenship card on
your face, body and butt, demonstrating that you are indeed an ARC (
What a trash name).  If you are not a US citizen yet - well, i am
sorry, that's the way you are born to be. You can cry or go back and
blame your parents. Maybe they will spank you for being not mature.

I can understand the guy from NJ. The reply of cheneaz is indeed very rude!

I would more agree what eeyupyue has said. However, go back to the JIJING section, you can find many threads begging for JJ. I think "beg" is very appropriate.