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发表于 2022-9-6 01:21:11 | 显示全部楼层
aiyo_not_bad 发表于 2022-9-4 23:32
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发表于 2022-12-24 14:04:53 | 显示全部楼层
juanhu96 发表于 2022-8-2 05:25
感谢回答~也恭喜楼主最后拿到了一个满意的offer,朝九晚五周末不加班真的要比留在学界舒服自由多了 ...

跟mle、data scientist比,哪个职业前景会更好呢?
发表于 2022-12-24 15:04:45 | 显示全部楼层
古天乐 发表于 2022-8-25 23:50
首先,非常恭喜楼主找到一个自己喜欢的工作
其次,我认为,如果不是铁心进学术圈教育圈被体制化,并且最终 ...

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发表于 2022-12-25 12:47:03 | 显示全部楼层
你这300K不比学校强多了。美国OM新招AP能开300K的学校不超过10所。还要6年考核期。
MGT现在都这么卷了吗。人家accounting毕业连R&R都没有的都可以找到一个R1,也是你们ross的。
发表于 2022-12-26 21:33:59 | 显示全部楼层
永远没多远 发表于 2022-12-25 12:47
你这300K不比学校强多了。美国OM新招AP能开300K的学校不超过10所。还要6年考核期。
MGT现在都这么卷了吗。 ...

That's right, the market for Management -- human resources, Strategic Management, etc. -- is largely saturated. The Accounting area still fares better than most other concentrations, but its heyday has passed.

In regard to AP compensation, yes, only a sprinkling few pay over $200k (typically not more than $240k) in Fin,  Accounting, or other concentrations.
发表于 2022-12-26 22:14:52 | 显示全部楼层
Tripleg 发表于 2022-12-26 21:33
That's right, the market for Management -- human resources, Strategic Management, etc. -- is largel ...

老兄,实在没有必要再来重复你这个salary的misinformation了。不过我这几天看AMA的WWW report(https://docsig.org/ama-docsig-fe ... -where-www-results/),正好可以用来提供比较系统的数据
2021年的报告里头,大概有4个算是top50的(Indiana、ND、Rice啥的,主要参照table25中按照jounal level required for tenure来看),这4个的total salary是$205,533
2020年,同样口径的有12个,tc $227,278
2019年,同样口径的有14个,tc $204,012
这个数据是marketing的。finance/acc请加40k左右。

发表于 2022-12-27 06:07:02 | 显示全部楼层
zzmypster 发表于 2022-12-26 22:14
老兄,实在没有必要再来重复你这个salary的misinformation了。不过我这几天看AMA的WWW report(https://d ...

Your response and comment hearken back to our earlier 'spar' on the subject. Mine is not misinformation; it's true. It suddenly occurred to me that the main reason for our disagreement is that I only consider base salaries  -- that is, summer research support, which can amount to $20,000, is not included.

I took a cursory glance at the file through the link you provided here. It's interesting, and I hope a similar effort will be initiated by the other concentration areas. The 9-month DS for the sample institutions -- $60,000 (min.), $233,000 (max.), and $138,500 (mean) -- would suggest that the marketing area overall pays less than Fin and Acc., but usually by a moderate amount. By the way, the compensation of $60,000 is quite disconcerting to me, as even a heavily teaching -oriented school typically pays $80,000 or above. It can be less than the starting salary of a 4-year college graduate. Does that make sense? Or, the survey was problematic.
发表于 2022-12-27 06:52:23 | 显示全部楼层
就算看base你这数字也不对。
data: marketing 9 month base = 180k (typical R1)
plus fin/acc pay at least 40k more than marketing
=> fin/acc 9 month base >220k for typical R1
考虑到这是两三年前,今年的数字还要高。
发表于 2022-12-27 07:15:46 | 显示全部楼层
zzmypster 发表于 2022-12-27 06:52
就算看base你这数字也不对。
data: marketing 9 month base = 180k (typical R1)
plus fin/acc pay at leas ...

This simple math does not really play out in the Fin area, at least based on my own research. By the way, AP pay increases are expected to be very modest in the nexr two or three years.

发表于 2022-12-27 08:50:31 | 显示全部楼层
Tripleg 发表于 2022-12-27 07:15
This simple math does not really play out in the Fin area, at least based on my own research. By th ...

我已经给你好多个data point了,where is your "own research"?
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