（弄完了，发上来才能安心睡啊！！！）关于V-ing搭配逗号出现的研究---也就是我们总提起的doing啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊

jeffery2541

有心啊。。当初也一直想总结下。太懒了

-- by 会员 DUKB24 (2012/9/14 8:26:07)

主要是在这栽跟头啊。。。。

对了，你二战复习大概都做了什么呢？现在我有点茫然~

jeffery2541

顶起！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！

-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/9/14 9:13:00)

加油！

chenmy314

kk

yakev6

今天又看到prep上一个题目，不知道大家怎么理解？
133.In the past several years, astronomers have detected more than 80 massive planets, most of them as large or larger than Jupiter, which circle other stars.
(A) most of them as large or larger than Jupiter, which circle
(B) most of them as large or larger than Jupiter and circling
(C) most of them at least as large as Jupiter, circling
(D) mostly at least as large as Jupiter, which circle（C）
(E) mostly as large or larger than Jupiter, circling
我的理解是这个circling，不是状语成分，而是名词（most of them）的修饰语：句尾独立主格在逻辑层次上对应完整的主谓，句尾的独立主格对应的完整主谓其实就是“most of the detected massive planets are at least as large as Jupiter, circling other stars.”，其中circling修饰planets，符合3中a）所述。

-- by 会员 jeffery2541 (2012/9/14 0:55:37)

我的看法是那个most of them 就是个插入语，左右两个逗号也是完全属于他的。
结构就是 SVO, non-essenial modifier, ving
既然是插入语，扔掉就好了，结构还是 SVO ving, ving修饰宾语massive planets.

DUKB24

今天又看到prep上一个题目，不知道大家怎么理解？
133.In the past several years, astronomers have detected more than 80 massive planets, most of them as large or larger than Jupiter, which circle other stars.
(A) most of them as large or larger than Jupiter, which circle
(B) most of them as large or larger than Jupiter and circling
(C) most of them at least as large as Jupiter, circling
(D) mostly at least as large as Jupiter, which circle（C）
(E) mostly as large or larger than Jupiter, circling
我的理解是这个circling，不是状语成分，而是名词（most of them）的修饰语：句尾独立主格在逻辑层次上对应完整的主谓，句尾的独立主格对应的完整主谓其实就是“most of the detected massive planets are at least as large as Jupiter, circling other stars.”，其中circling修饰planets，符合3中a）所述。

-- by 会员 jeffery2541 (2012/9/14 0:55:37)

我的看法是那个most of them 就是个插入语，左右两个逗号也是完全属于他的。
结构就是 SVO, non-essenial modifier, ving
既然是插入语，扔掉就好了，结构还是 SVO ving, ving修饰宾语massive planets.

-- by 会员 yakev6 (2012/9/14 14:43:58)

yeap, i vote for this explanation


若按jeff说的做noun modifier，也不是修饰most of them，而是修饰jupiter...noun modifier没有verb modifier来得灵活

jeffery2541

如果这样说，那么句子就无异于astronomers have detected more than 80 massive planets (, most of them at least as large as Jupiter,) circling other stars.
那这个结构是不是detect something doing呢？如果是这样，我认为句子意思就改变了。原句的意思我理解是astronomers发现了超过80个massive planets，这个80个中的大多数至少和Jupiter一样大而且围绕其他星体运行；上面那个句子的意思就变成了astronomers发现至少80个massive planets围绕其他星体运行，或者说发现至少80个围绕其他星体运行的massive planets。

这样一看，这个V-ing就是无逗号的了。

今天又看到prep上一个题目，不知道大家怎么理解？
133.In the past several years, astronomers have detected more than 80 massive planets, most of them as large or larger than Jupiter, which circle other stars.
(A) most of them as large or larger than Jupiter, which circle
(B) most of them as large or larger than Jupiter and circling
(C) most of them at least as large as Jupiter, circling
(D) mostly at least as large as Jupiter, which circle（C）
(E) mostly as large or larger than Jupiter, circling
我的理解是这个circling，不是状语成分，而是名词（most of them）的修饰语：句尾独立主格在逻辑层次上对应完整的主谓，句尾的独立主格对应的完整主谓其实就是“most of the detected massive planets are at least as large as Jupiter, circling other stars.”，其中circling修饰planets，符合3中a）所述。

-- by 会员 jeffery2541 (2012/9/14 0:55:37)

我的看法是那个most of them 就是个插入语，左右两个逗号也是完全属于他的。
结构就是 SVO, non-essenial modifier, ving
既然是插入语，扔掉就好了，结构还是 SVO ving, ving修饰宾语massive planets.

-- by 会员 yakev6 (2012/9/14 14:43:58)

jeffery2541

看懂了点，如果看成插入成分的话，这个V-ing就是无逗号隔开的了。

DUKE~我再请教你一个问题吧~你认为这个原句说的circling是谁在circling？

今天又看到prep上一个题目，不知道大家怎么理解？
133.In the past several years, astronomers have detected more than 80 massive planets, most of them as large or larger than Jupiter, which circle other stars.
(A) most of them as large or larger than Jupiter, which circle
(B) most of them as large or larger than Jupiter and circling
(C) most of them at least as large as Jupiter, circling
(D) mostly at least as large as Jupiter, which circle（C）
(E) mostly as large or larger than Jupiter, circling
我的理解是这个circling，不是状语成分，而是名词（most of them）的修饰语：句尾独立主格在逻辑层次上对应完整的主谓，句尾的独立主格对应的完整主谓其实就是“most of the detected massive planets are at least as large as Jupiter, circling other stars.”，其中circling修饰planets，符合3中a）所述。

-- by 会员 jeffery2541 (2012/9/14 0:55:37)

我的看法是那个most of them 就是个插入语，左右两个逗号也是完全属于他的。
结构就是 SVO, non-essenial modifier, ving
既然是插入语，扔掉就好了，结构还是 SVO ving, ving修饰宾语massive planets.

-- by 会员 yakev6 (2012/9/14 14:43:58)

yeap, i vote for this explanation


若按jeff说的做noun modifier，也不是修饰most of them，而是修饰jupiter...noun modifier没有verb modifier来得灵活

-- by 会员 DUKB24 (2012/9/14 15:40:18)

DUKB24

必须不是jupiter

是那些行星

yakev6

Good catch, and that is what I don't like A.
Because of it look ambiguous for me when I read A.
There are two posibile antecedants of A
1) Jupiter, which ( of course, it look like ridiculus)
2) planets, ... , which
For C beause N, ving cannot modifier N so the 1st above posibility was eliminated. Only planets can be antecedant of ving.
Also pls ref Manhattan SC strategy guide:
3. A shortnon-essentialphrase intervenes and is set off by commas.
Right: Our system of Presidential elections favorsstates,such as Delaware, that by population are over-represented in the Electoral College.
The short phrasesuch as Delawaresneaks between the nounstatesand its modifierthat by population are over-represented in the Electoral College. There is nowhere else logical to put the phrasesuch as Delaware. Because this phrase is short, its insertion is acceptable.Right: Our system of Presidential elections favorsstates,such as Delaware, that by population are over-represented in the Electoral College.
The short phrasesuch as Delawaresneaks between the nounstatesand its modifierthat by population are over-represented in the Electoral College. There is nowhere else logical to put the phrasesuch as Delaware. Because this phrase is short, its insertion is acceptable.

如果这样说，那么句子就无异于astronomers have detected more than 80 massive planets (, most of them at least as large as Jupiter,) circling other stars.
那这个结构是不是detect something doing呢？如果是这样，我认为句子意思就改变了。原句的意思我理解是astronomers发现了超过80个massive planets，这个80个中的大多数至少和Jupiter一样大而且围绕其他星体运行；上面那个句子的意思就变成了astronomers发现至少80个massive planets围绕其他星体运行，或者说发现至少80个围绕其他星体运行的massive planets。

今天又看到prep上一个题目，不知道大家怎么理解？
133.In the past several years, astronomers have detected more than 80 massive planets, most of them as large or larger than Jupiter, which circle other stars.
(A) most of them as large or larger than Jupiter, which circle
(B) most of them as large or larger than Jupiter and circling
(C) most of them at least as large as Jupiter, circling
(D) mostly at least as large as Jupiter, which circle（C）
(E) mostly as large or larger than Jupiter, circling
我的理解是这个circling，不是状语成分，而是名词（most of them）的修饰语：句尾独立主格在逻辑层次上对应完整的主谓，句尾的独立主格对应的完整主谓其实就是“most of the detected massive planets are at least as large as Jupiter, circling other stars.”，其中circling修饰planets，符合3中a）所述。

-- by 会员 jeffery2541 (2012/9/14 0:55:37)

我的看法是那个most of them 就是个插入语，左右两个逗号也是完全属于他的。
结构就是 SVO, non-essenial modifier, ving
既然是插入语，扔掉就好了，结构还是 SVO ving, ving修饰宾语massive planets.

-- by 会员 yakev6 (2012/9/14 14:43:58)

-- by 会员 jeffery2541 (2012/9/14 16:52:17)

阿丫丫丫

强力啊，这个真是老大难问题，我自己的理解是 ,V-ing往往是表示前面整句的伴随和结果，GMAC总是在逗号前面放一个名词诱惑我们，引起歧义。。。