法国高商 问答帖 (改版：开放各行业讨论，不限于金融）

海阔天空0822

昨晚一口气49页全部看完，真是受益匪浅，再次多谢Derman！

有两个问题：
1，你说过读完GE去英国的基本上都是做投行的。能否请您总结一下这个现象具体是因哪些因素造成呢？比如是语言造成较大的障碍（比如，法语说久了，英语不够好）还是英国人认为法国学生对英国情况了解不够，宁愿找个本地的，还是不愿意给应届生办工签，还是。。。？
小女很想用GE做跳板，去伦敦工作。但是从来没接触过投行／financial services。因为英语基本上是母语水平，所以一直很向往伦敦，想问问从巴黎跳到伦敦是否有可行性。

2、GE有否同学去研究性consulting或者经济传媒／分析类的行业,比如说bloomberg, oxford business group, CEB, the economist? 不知道有没有对这种公司／这个行业了解的，能分享一些经验／评价，等

再次多谢！

Derman

Omeng 发表于 2013-5-26 10:23
cause I did not major in business before ,and I've been accepted by a GE programme....  

Actually. ...

Please keep in mind that PhD means long-term dedication to academic life or academic-like life. As a PhD student, you are expected to read peers' paper, work on experiment or perform mathematical calculation day-in and day-out. It's not fun at all for 99% of human beings.

If you are really committed to academic research and you DON'T speak French, then US should be a better destination. (US universities have far more structured system than GEs, I don't mean GE is bad, it's just not that structured!)

But if you are not committed to academic research that much and still thinking about working in industry/ or finding an internship, then it's another thing.

Derman

海阔天空0822 发表于 2013-5-26 11:51
昨晚一口气49页全部看完，真是受益匪浅，再次多谢Derman！

有两个问题：

It's really costly for a UK company to hire an overseas/non UK-educated junior. It means a lot of paperwork and probably high legal fees. Only big IBank (i don't even sure SG/BNP London office is one of them) has the capacity. Other companies can just pick some natives or UK-educated students (less paperwork/ easier to justify).

Yes, there are many News/Data companies in London, but I guess they will just hire UK educated people (so many Chinese students out there in UK already, they don't even bother to go to France to fill a Chinese language-required headcount)

I assume you either attend International primary/high school in HK/Taiwan or live in an English-speaking country for many years, since you said 因为英语基本上是母语水平. Not sure if it's easier for Australia/ US /Canada passport holder to obtain UK work permit, maybe what I said doesn't apply on you,I'm talking about Chinese (with PRC passport) here.

Derman

BTW，what makes a thread become a 精华帖？I think this thread is informative enough to be a 精华帖。

海阔天空0822

Thank you for your reply. :-) I'll need to reconsider the likelihood of relocating to London then.
Also just wondering, why do you post in English? Is it just because it's faster to type?

嘉敏要大顺

Hi Derman

你在之前帖子提到，读M1期间如果不是在国内就有很强的背景一到法国找实习是很难的事情。我在本科阶段基本上没有金融行业的实习经验，法语也是起步阶段，如果想预期在明年赶上实习的话，可以给我一些规划的建议吗？另外之前提到的一点，对于英国的公司，是不管招收英国地区以外的实习生还是全职成本都高吗？所以想要获得去英国的工作几率不高是吗？

九月份就要开学了，我很困惑实习的事情，是不是应该把第一份实习工作就全力放在法国内找胜算比较大呢？

期待Derman的回复 你的回复对我是种鼓励sincerely

Derman

海阔天空0822 发表于 2013-5-26 17:37
Thank you for your reply. :-) I'll need to reconsider the likelihood of relocating to London then.
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Yup, it's just faster. No particular reason...Let me know if you guys feel more comfortable reading Chinese or....Sorry for my BAD English, it's not my mother-tongue

Derman

嘉敏要大顺 发表于 2013-5-26 17:57
Hi Derman

你在之前帖子提到，读M1期间如果不是在国内就有很强的背景一到法国找实习是很难的事情。我在本 ...

1. Try to strengthen your French listening/speaking skill. It should be the most important thing.
2. Figure out what you want to do, marketing/finance or anything else, know your industry!
3. A few routes of finding job in UK: 1. Get recruited by some international firms that are willing to obtain the work permit for you (mostly top IBanks). Some internship experience in France will be very much helpful.
                                                   2. Do internship in a French company and the company sends you to UK for full-time job. I see a few people manage to do this.
                                                   
All in all a first internship in France is pretty much a MUST, if you haven't any impressive w/e in other countries under your belt. Internship visa of UK is easier to get.....But I haven't seen any Chinese GE student doing internship in UK outside Financial service industry.

海阔天空0822

Don't have a problem with anyone's english... just wondering, curious, mostly. A friend of mine does the same thing actually, all her texts are in eng, she says its easier on her blackberry. :-) Thanks again for your awesome patience and replies.

Also, now that i'm on this thread again, how do the french look on start-up experience? Is that valued? Say, in the US, it's looked upon very well. Probably less so in Europe, i'm assuming?

Derman

海阔天空0822 发表于 2013-5-26 22:06
Don't have a problem with anyone's english... just wondering, curious, mostly. A friend of mine does ...

It's not "important", it's prerequisite if you are talking about start-ups in France. No idea about the other European countries. I would strongly encourage everyone who applies French Grande Ecole to spend some time on French, it's damn useful and valued in Europe. Never downplay the role of French, even you know English always comes first.