从清华TU博士浙大跳楼谈商科申请

uclasdsu

商科申请中国人暴增，大概是从2004，2005年开始的吧。
以前，是理工科出国为主，都是美国提供TARA
回浙江大学跳楼的涂博士， 就是代表。他是清华土木工程系年级第一，美国西北大学的博士， 又做了博士后。名校吧，回浙大跳楼了。
问题是什么？因为过去出去的理工科为主，回来的自然是理工科为主，
回来几个，人家重视；回来多了，没人拿着当会事， 涂博士，回浙大，给他的头衔是博士后讲师。那些教授副教授可能不如他，但人家位置占住了，不给他位置，他想不开，形式就这样。
美国会计暴热，是因为2000年ENRON丑闻，也导致五大之一的ANDERSEN破产，SEC 出台规矩， 等等。四五年后是否市场饱和，不知道。中国人申请会计，MSF的增多，直接导致财政困境中的美国大学为了迎合国人，
扩大规模，反正这个不需要实验室，不需要大型科研设备，就是上上课，
至于毕业出路，美国人是不管的。美国人法学院毕业没工作，告法学院，
中国学生也做不了这事情。
2011年爆发了中东革命，谁也预料不到。9月美国爆发了占领华尔街的游行示威， 反正大家都知道是华尔街在操纵，
至于有什么结果，谁也不知道，反正美国经济一片糟糕，两房的问题不解决，银行坏账就无法解决。两房的问题喊了几年了，也没见解决。
大学继续缺钱，就会继续从中国找人，但是在美国找不到工作，回国，几年之内，马上就回遇到TU博士一样的待遇，就是3000-5000，干的活跟出国前干的一样。甚至出国前可以找到的位置也找不到，连留学成本都收不回来。去好学校还值得，家里凑钱去烂校，实在太盲目，不如在国内工作几年再说。

JASO

有道理。

uclasdsu

此外，CD 上不少ID是人在美国的F2,H4, 就是配偶，在家无所事事，
老公攒了点TA RA 的钱，让她 上学了，理工科艰深抽象的课程学不了，就学商学院的MS，简单多了。 整天散布来美国开阔眼界的言论，开阔眼界谁不知道啊，但血淋淋的现实，要生存，你花老公攒的TA RA不心疼，
绿卡也是老公做牛做吗的办，从国内来的人呢？ 很多是父母攒了一辈子的钱，扔给烂校，值得吗？

商科申请中国人暴增，大概是从2004，2005年开始的吧。
以前，是理工科出国为主，都是美国提供TARA
回浙江大学跳楼的涂博士， 就是代表。他是清华土木工程系年级第一，美国西北大学的博士， 又做了博士后。名校吧，回浙大跳楼了。
问题是什么？因为过去出去的理工科为主，回来的自然是理工科为主，
回来几个，人家重视；回来多了，没人拿着当会事， 涂博士，回浙大，给他的头衔是博士后讲师。那些教授副教授可能不如他，但人家位置占住了，不给他位置，他想不开，形式就这样。
美国会计暴热，是因为2000年ENRON丑闻，也导致五大之一的ANDERSEN破产，SEC 出台规矩， 等等。四五年后是否市场饱和，不知道。中国人申请会计，MSF的增多，直接导致财政困境中的美国大学为了迎合国人，
扩大规模，反正这个不需要实验室，不需要大型科研设备，就是上上课，
至于毕业出路，美国人是不管的。美国人法学院毕业没工作，告法学院，
中国学生也做不了这事情。
2011年爆发了中东革命，谁也预料不到。9月美国爆发了占领华尔街的游行示威， 反正大家都知道是华尔街在操纵，
至于有什么结果，谁也不知道，反正美国经济一片糟糕，两房的问题不解决，银行坏账就无法解决。两房的问题喊了几年了，也没见解决。
大学继续缺钱，就会继续从中国找人，但是在美国找不到工作，回国，几年之内，马上就回遇到TU博士一样的待遇，就是3000-5000，干的活跟出国前干的一样。甚至出国前可以找到的位置也找不到，连留学成本都收不回来。去好学校还值得，家里凑钱去烂校，实在太盲目，不如在国内工作几年再说。

-- by 会员 uclasdsu (2011/12/29 4:45:33)

uclasdsu

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/08/11/38921.htm

Thursday, August 11, 2011Last Update: 11:09 AM PT

Students Sue NY Law School for $200 Million ShareThis     MANHATTAN (CN) - A $200 million class action claims the New York Law School misrepresents post-graduate opportunities for lawyers and subjects "the overwhelming majority" of its graduates to "years of indentured servitude" after "saddling them with tens of thousands of dollars in crushing, non-dischargeable debt that will take literally decades to pay off."     Lead plaintiffs Alexandra Gomez-Jimenez, Scott Tiedke and Katherine sued the law school in New York County Court.     It's not the first such recent complaint against a law school. A similar class action was filed in May against the Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego.         And a class action with similar claims was filed Wednesday in Detroit Federal Court against the Thomas M. Cooley Law School.     The plaintiffs in the New York case accuse NY Law of "a systemic, ongoing fraud that is ubiquitous in the legal education industry and threatens to leave a generation of law students in dire financial straits."     The class claims: "New York Law's dean, Richard Matasar, actually publicly recognized this problem, when, during a program sponsored by the Association of American Law Schools, [he] acknowledged that 'we (law school deans) should be ashamed of ourselves. We own our students' outcomes. We took them. We took their money. ... And if they don't have a good outcome in life, we're exploiting them. It's our responsibility to own the outcomes of our institutions. If they're not doing well ... it's gotta be fixed. Or we should shut the damn place down. And that's a moral responsibility that we bear in the academy.'" (Parentheses in complaint, as brackets.)     The complaint continues: "However, far from heeding his own advice by taking 'ownership' of his students' outcomes, Mr. Matasar's school consigns the overwhelming majority of them to years of indentured servitude, saddling them with tens of thousands of dollars in crushing, non-dischargeable debt that will take literally decades to pay off. New York Law has done this while blatantly misrepresenting and manipulating its employment statistics to prospective students, employing the type of 'Enron-style' accounting techniques that would leave most for-profit companies facing the long barrel of a government investigation and the prospect of paying a substantial civil fine. These deceptions are perpetuated so as to prevent prospective students from realizing the obvious - that attending NYLS and forking over nearly $150,000 in tuition payments is a terrible investment which makes little economic sense and, most likely, will never pay off.     "Specifically, NYLS, through both its print and internet marketing materials, commits two basic written, uniform misrepresentations. First, the school during the class period claims that the overwhelming majority of its graduates - roughly between 90 and 95 percent - secure employment within nine months of graduation. However, the reality of the situation is that these seemingly robust numbers include any type of employment, including jobs that have absolutely nothing to do with the legal industry, do not require a JD degree or are temporary or part-time in nature. Rather, if NYLS was to disclose the more pertinent employment statistic - i.e. those graduates who have secured full-time, permanent positions for which a JD degree is required or preferred -- the numbers would drop dramatically, and could be well below 50 percent, if not even lower.     "Second, NYLS grossly inflates its graduates' reported mean salaries, by calculating them based on a small, mostly self-selected subset of graduates who actually submit their salary information. To that end, if the Defendants were to disclose salary data based on a broad, statistically meaningful representation of its graduates, by including more graduates who have failed to secure full-time, permanent employment, the reported mean salaries would decline precipitously.     "Defendants' deceptions are all the more shocking considering that the school has functioned as a veritable 'JD-factory', enrolling in 2009 1,596 total students, an increase of 270 students from 2000. In 2009, at the height of the 'Great Recession' and while the legal industry was experiencing historic job cuts, NYLS enrolled its largest first-year class ever - 736 students - which was an astounding 30 percent increase from the previous year. As detailed in a recent New York Times exposé, these increases can largely be explained by the school's desire to maintain the AAA rating that Moody's had given the school's $135 million bond offering which was floated to finance the construction of a brand new 235,000-square-foot complex.     "Compounding problems, there is no place where prospective students can find NYLS's 'real' employment numbers. The school supplies the same dubious statistics to the U.S. News & World Report ('US News') and the American Bar Association ('ABA'), the two primary sources of information for law school employment data. Like NYLS, these sources count as 'employed' those who have secured employment in any capacity in any kind of job, no matter how unrelated to the legal field."     The students demand $200 million in damages for fraud, negligent misrepresentation, and violations of business law.     They are represented by David Anziska with Kurzon Strauss.

此外，CD 上不少ID是人在美国的F2,H4, 就是配偶，在家无所事事，
老公攒了点TA RA 的钱，让她 上学了，理工科艰深抽象的课程学不了，就学商学院的MS，简单多了。 整天散布来美国开阔眼界的言论，开阔眼界谁不知道啊，但血淋淋的现实，要生存，你花老公攒的TA RA不心疼，
绿卡也是老公做牛做吗的办，从国内来的人呢？ 很多是父母攒了一辈子的钱，扔给烂校，值得吗？

商科申请中国人暴增，大概是从2004，2005年开始的吧。
以前，是理工科出国为主，都是美国提供TARA
回浙江大学跳楼的涂博士， 就是代表。他是清华土木工程系年级第一，美国西北大学的博士， 又做了博士后。名校吧，回浙大跳楼了。
问题是什么？因为过去出去的理工科为主，回来的自然是理工科为主，
回来几个，人家重视；回来多了，没人拿着当会事， 涂博士，回浙大，给他的头衔是博士后讲师。那些教授副教授可能不如他，但人家位置占住了，不给他位置，他想不开，形式就这样。
美国会计暴热，是因为2000年ENRON丑闻，也导致五大之一的ANDERSEN破产，SEC 出台规矩， 等等。四五年后是否市场饱和，不知道。中国人申请会计，MSF的增多，直接导致财政困境中的美国大学为了迎合国人，
扩大规模，反正这个不需要实验室，不需要大型科研设备，就是上上课，
至于毕业出路，美国人是不管的。美国人法学院毕业没工作，告法学院，
中国学生也做不了这事情。
2011年爆发了中东革命，谁也预料不到。9月美国爆发了占领华尔街的游行示威， 反正大家都知道是华尔街在操纵，
至于有什么结果，谁也不知道，反正美国经济一片糟糕，两房的问题不解决，银行坏账就无法解决。两房的问题喊了几年了，也没见解决。
大学继续缺钱，就会继续从中国找人，但是在美国找不到工作，回国，几年之内，马上就回遇到TU博士一样的待遇，就是3000-5000，干的活跟出国前干的一样。甚至出国前可以找到的位置也找不到，连留学成本都收不回来。去好学校还值得，家里凑钱去烂校，实在太盲目，不如在国内工作几年再说。

-- by 会员 uclasdsu (2011/12/29 4:45:33)

-- by 会员 uclasdsu (2011/12/29 4:54:18)

uclasdsu

美国学生控告法学院的报道。

alonever

血淋淋的现实啊。。。

现在本科来的人才是越来越多。我08年刚来时，全校本科+研究生才1000多一点中国人。可是今年秋季入学的大陆Freshman就有900+，还不算各种国内大学transfer来的人和exchange的人。感觉都不是来读书的。。。

isn

为什么我一直觉得ucla和大本哥是一个人~`我错觉了么

阿尔瓦雷斯

美国经济一团糟............ 呵呵呵呵呵

kikisunflower

为什么我一直觉得ucla和大本哥是一个人~`我错觉了么

-- by 会员 isn (2011/12/29 5:29:08)

到底什么是大本哥啊。。。最近老是听你说这个人捏

isn

为什么我一直觉得ucla和大本哥是一个人~`我错觉了么

-- by 会员 isn (2011/12/29 5:29:08)

到底什么是大本哥啊。。。最近老是听你说这个人捏

-- by 会员 kikisunflower (2011/12/29 8:08:53)

去年大红人。。。披着马甲的神。。。~`说话感觉就跟这个ucla一样，各种黑。。。