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731#
 楼主| 发表于 2005-9-6 01:57:00 | 只看该作者
谢谢番茄,后面两题都明白了。很鬼的题目。
732#
发表于 2005-9-6 11:30:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用番茄笑了在2005-9-6 1:22:00的发言:



我的答案是B,E,C,D


我给你讲讲为什么我第6题选D吧!


GWD-9-Q6 N-17-Q7 G-9-Q6:


The passage suggests that as a way of addressing the problem of different resource distribution in the preindustrial world, the practice of vertical economy differed from the use of long-distance trade networks in that vertical economy allowed




  1. commodities to reach the end consumer faster 文中没有提到,无关


  2. a wide variety of agricultural goods to reach the end consumer 无关,同A


  3. a single group to maintain control over the production process 正确,文中L30-34的改写


  4. greater access to commodities from lower, warmer climatic zones 文中没有这种比较


  5. greater use of self-sufficient agricultural techniques 文中没有这种比较

我还是觉得c是不对的,因为原文中没有提到preindustrial world的生产过程,只是提到了它限定了最终的消费者的选择,所以不能假设它不是由a single group来控制生产过程的;原文中对两者进行比较的基础是在消费层面上的,所以是对access to commodities的多少进行的比较,preindustrial world对消费者有限定,所以access少,vertical economy 对消费者没什么限定,所以access多。

不知道我理解的对不对?

733#
发表于 2005-9-6 12:04:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用tania在2005-9-6 11:30:00的发言:


我还是觉得c是不对的,因为原文中没有提到preindustrial world的生产过程,只是提到了它限定了最终的消费者的选择,所以不能假设它不是由a single group来控制生产过程的;原文中对两者进行比较的基础是在消费层面上的,所以是对access to commodities的多少进行的比较,preindustrial world对消费者有限定,所以access少,vertical economy 对消费者没什么限定,所以access多。

不知道我理解的对不对?


GWD-9-Q6 N-17-Q7 G-9-Q6:


The passage suggests that as a way of addressing the problem of different resource distribution in the preindustrial world, the practice of vertical economy differed from the use of long-distance trade networks in that vertical economy allowed


  1. commodities to reach the end consumer faster 文中没有提到,无关
  2. a wide variety of agricultural goods to reach the end consumer 无关,同A
  3. a single group to maintain control over the production process 正确,文中L30-34的改写
  4. greater access to commodities from lower, warmer climatic zones 文中没有这种比较
  5. greater use of self-sufficient agricultural techniques 文中没有这种比较

关于tania MM的疑问,我是这样理解的下面引用原文的L29-32,其中提亮的部分使用了三个动词: extracted, processed, and transported这就已经是一个process了!另外,MM提到文中没有说pre-industrial world 的production process.我觉得这里不需要提啊!题目是要你比较两种方法的不同之处不是比较pre-industrial和andean highlands使用两种方法的不同之处。

如果我没记错的话,你是支持D的对吗?D这里说的greater access文中并没有这样的比较啊!文中只是说pre-industrial world用long-distance network这种方法,而andean highland主要用 vertical economy, 没有比较他们谁的access to commodities比较大。

当然一家之见!大家讨论!!

Although the peoples



(25)      of the Andean highlands participated



in such networks, they relied primarily



on the maintenance of autonomous



production forces in as many eco-



logical zones as possible. The



(30)      commodities produced in these



zones were extracted, processed,



and transported entirely by members



of a single group.

734#
发表于 2005-9-6 12:22:00 | 只看该作者

我选的是d.我就是看到文章的这里只提到了高地的人是这样的,没提preindustrial world 的生产过程啊,才觉得不能用这个地方作对比。 而是要看前面的部分,高地的人需要access,而preindustrial world 不能满足高地的人的需要,所以高地的人才自己生产。


Given this unequal





(15)      resource distribution, highland Incas



needed access to the products of



lower, warmer climatic zones in order



to enlarge the variety and quantity of



their foodstuffs. In most of the prein-



(20)      dustrial world, the problem of different



resource distribution was resolved by



long-distance trade networks over



which the end consumer exercised



little control. Although the peoples



(25)      of the Andean highlands participated



in such networks, they relied primarily



on the maintenance of autonomous



production forces in as many eco-



logical zones as possible.

735#
 楼主| 发表于 2005-9-6 12:23:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用番茄笑了在2005-9-6 12:04:00的发言:


GWD-9-Q6 N-17-Q7 G-9-Q6:


The passage suggests that as a way of addressing the problem of different resource distribution in the preindustrial world, the practice of vertical economy differed from the use of long-distance trade networks in that vertical economy allowed


  1. commodities to reach the end consumer faster 文中没有提到,无关
  2. a wide variety of agricultural goods to reach the end consumer 无关,同A
  3. a single group to maintain control over the production process 正确,文中L30-34的改写
  4. greater access to commodities from lower, warmer climatic zones 文中没有这种比较
  5. greater use of self-sufficient agricultural techniques 文中没有这种比较

关于tania MM的疑问,我是这样理解的下面引用原文的L29-32,其中提亮的部分使用了三个动词: extracted, processed, and transported这就已经是一个process了!另外,MM提到文中没有说pre-industrial world 的production process.我觉得这里不需要提啊!题目是要你比较两种方法的不同之处不是比较pre-industrial和andean highlands使用两种方法的不同之处。

我同意番茄这部分的解释。这三个词就是我认为表达所有Process的三个词。

如果我没记错的话,你是支持D的对吗?D这里说的greater access文中并没有这样的比较啊!文中只是说pre-industrial world用long-distance network这种方法,而andean highland主要用 vertical economy, 没有比较他们谁的access to commodities比较大。

这里我觉得文章是说到了的。因为highland Incas要get access to products of lower warmer climate zones,然后说了preindustrial world是如何解决这个分配不均的问题的,就是Long-distance trade network,而highland Incas更大部分依靠vertical economy来解决这个问题。所以,这两种方法都可以解决highland Incas需要的产品分配问题,只是程度上不同而已。二者区别是解决问题的程度深浅,不是有无,所以D是不对。

当然一家之见!大家讨论!!

Although the peoples


(25)      of the Andean highlands participated



in such networks, they relied primarily



on the maintenance of autonomous



production forces in as many eco-



logical zones as possible. The



(30)      commodities produced in these



zones were extracted, processed,



and transported entirely by members



of a single group.



736#
发表于 2005-9-6 12:34:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用babypace在2005-9-6 12:23:00的发言:




这里我觉得文章是说到了的。因为highland Incas要get access to products of lower warmer climate zones,然后说了preindustrial world是如何解决这个分配不均的问题的,就是Long-distance trade network,而highland Incas更大部分依靠vertical economy来解决这个问题。所以,这两种方法都可以解决highland Incas需要的产品分配问题,只是程度上不同而已。二者区别是解决问题的程度深浅,不是有无,所以D是不对。


greater就是表明程度的深浅啊??所以我觉得D对啊

737#
发表于 2005-9-6 12:35:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用番茄笑了在2005-9-6 12:04:00的发言:


GWD-9-Q6 N-17-Q7 G-9-Q6:


The passage suggests that as a way of addressing the problem of different resource distribution in the preindustrial world, the practice of vertical economy differed from the use of long-distance trade networks in that vertical economy allowed


  1. commodities to reach the end consumer faster 文中没有提到,无关
  2. a wide variety of agricultural goods to reach the end consumer 无关,同A
  3. a single group to maintain control over the production process 正确,文中L30-34的改写
  4. greater access to commodities from lower, warmer climatic zones 文中没有这种比较
  5. greater use of self-sufficient agricultural techniques 文中没有这种比较

关于tania MM的疑问,我是这样理解的下面引用原文的L29-32,其中提亮的部分使用了三个动词: extracted, processed, and transported这就已经是一个process了!另外,MM提到文中没有说pre-industrial world 的production process.我觉得这里不需要提啊!题目是要你比较两种方法的不同之处不是比较pre-industrial和andean highlands使用两种方法的不同之处。

如果我没记错的话,你是支持D的对吗?D这里说的greater access文中并没有这样的比较啊!文中只是说pre-industrial world用long-distance network这种方法,而andean highland主要用 vertical economy, 没有比较他们谁的access to commodities比较大。

当然一家之见!大家讨论!!

Although the peoples


(25)      of the Andean highlands participated



in such networks, they relied primarily



on the maintenance of autonomous



production forces in as many eco-



logical zones as possible. The



(30)      commodities produced in these



zones were extracted, processed,



and transported entirely by members



of a single group.



本来我也选C的,不过现在觉得应该选D


line30也提到了the commodities produced in these zones,所以C的production process就值得怀疑,而且文中也没提到long-distance trade networks是否allowed a single group to maintain control over ... ,所以C错


D说greater access,是因为对于住在高地的人们来说,long-distance trade networks无法提供commodities from lower, warmer climatic zones,所以才创造了vertical economy,由此推出vertical economy allowed greater access ...


大家讨论

738#
发表于 2005-9-6 12:38:00 | 只看该作者
讨论好热烈啊!!
739#
 楼主| 发表于 2005-9-6 13:05:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用tania在2005-9-6 12:34:00的发言:



greater就是表明程度的深浅啊??所以我觉得D对啊


我说得不明白,sorry。我说那个程度就是文章只比较了highland Incas使用两种方法的程度,一个用的多一些,long-distance trade network用得少一些。没有比较哪个能get access to更多products。


本来我也选C的,不过现在觉得应该选D


line30也提到了the commodities produced in these zones,所以C的production process就值得怀疑,而且文中也没提到long-distance trade networks是否allowed a single group to maintain control over ... ,所以C错


D说greater access,是因为对于住在高地的人们来说,long-distance trade networks无法提供commodities from lower, warmer climatic zones,所以才创造了vertical economy,由此推出vertical economy allowed greater access ...


文章没有说highland Incas使用vertical economy更多一些是因为不能通过long-distance trade network获取足够的product,而是因为long-distance trade network的the end consumer exercised little control,文章中23行说的。


如果你能证明highland Incas的确是由于get greater access才使用多一些vertical economy的话,那这题就是D了。否则C更合适一些。我们看文章的上下文就知道,long-distance trade network不可能一个single group entirely control所有produce process的。作物在一个地方生长,为了进行物物交换来获得很多的variety,或许更多lower warmer climate zones products,才有了long-distance trade network。


我觉得这题解题是个infer题,不是纯粹文章中能找到原句的细节题。所以根据现有文章的信息,read between the lines,我觉得C更确定一些。D实在有些不确定的东西在里面,不能推断出来。

740#
发表于 2005-9-6 14:08:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用wwwhahchn在2005-9-6 12:35:00的发言:



本来我也选C的,不过现在觉得应该选D


line30也提到了the commodities produced in these zones,所以C的production process就值得怀疑,而且文中也没提到long-distance trade networks是否allowed a single group to maintain control over ... ,所以C错


D说greater access,是因为对于住在高地的人们来说,long-distance trade networks无法提供commodities from lower, warmer climatic zones,所以才创造了vertical economy,由此推出vertical economy allowed greater access ...


大家讨论



晕了,没看文章就瞎说,抱歉


还是选C

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