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301#
 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-29 09:24:02 | 只看该作者
baby姐啊,你看看我上面写的对不对啊
我自己从意思上觉得O这里倾向一个整体概念的,anyway这个没关系啊
只是这个句子的问题在于重心偏离了,就是我上面解释的那个原因,你看看对不~

[quote]
This is a tough question. I did it wrong.... See here for detailed explanations from Stacey and Ron
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/greatly-influenced-by-the-protestant-missionary-samuel-t648.html

Honestly I do not know "Oneida" is a word similar to "Americans" (and hence requires plural verb), but I like the idea raised by a student (and approved by Ron) in the above link:

Two Possibilities:
1) For somebody who doesn't know about Oneida would take it as a league/ some association/nation  and hence singular. In that case, 'was' would be correct and 'who' would be incorrect.

2) If I know that  "the Oneida" refers to an entire tribe / group / race and hence plural, then 'was' would be incorrect and 'who' would be correct.

So in both the cases option 'A' would be wrong.


问你道题目吧,有空帮我看看,很简单我就是纠结什么是集合名词,是集体名词么?manhatten里面讲的集体名词不是用单数么? army  什么的,都用单数啊。
Greatly influenced by the Protestant missionary Samuel Kirkland, the Oneida was the only one of
the five-nation Iroquois League who sided with the colonists during the American Revolution.

(A) was the only one of the five-nation Iroquois League who sided
(B) was alone of the five-nation Iroquois League when they sided
(C) alone among the five nations of the Iroquois League sided
(D) were the only ones out of the five nations of the Iroquois League in siding
(E) only of the five-nation Iroquois League had sided
-- by 会员 evamimi (2012/3/28 20:30:29)
-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/3/29 4:15:38)

302#
发表于 2012-3-29 09:51:34 | 只看该作者
来看看你,加油!
303#
发表于 2012-3-29 09:54:52 | 只看该作者
谢谢,我明白了。baby这题考虑的非常深入。
304#
 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-29 10:15:49 | 只看该作者
2012年03月29日

觉得我的进度狗爬一样啊,一天最多过掉manhattan一章然后刷一下后面的分类题目,而且最近因为Helr的洗脑看manhattan的时候都木有那种神圣的感觉了,因为要理解句意做每个句子的时间远远大于2m'啊要死了...

明显觉得勤劳程度木有一战那么大....而且长时间木有娱乐的生活让我越发手痒,越发xxx...

其实说来丢人
我经常学不下去的时候,就想起一个很简单的梦想
就是尼玛学好了我要去blizzard朝圣,
乃门不觉得这个想法很让人有动力啊哈哈哈~~
其他那都是浮云啊浮云啊啊哈哈~~

感觉自己已经疯了嘿嘿~~
苦逼依旧嘞~,单词背不完,题目分析不完,望天的时候脑子里竟然浮现的是wow贫瘠之地那悠远宽广的bgm以及一望无际的红土路啊啊啊~
305#
发表于 2012-3-29 10:28:50 | 只看该作者
"the only one of ... who"这个表达在这个句子里没问题。
比如
evimimi is the only one of my friends who is taking the gold-medal GMAT course.
这里"who has taken the GMAT"修饰"the only one of my friends"这个名词结构,该名词结构的核心名词是"one",后面的"of my friends"是mission-critical modifier.

这题我也错了,我看Ron/Stacey解释的意思,是说the Oneida相当于the Chinese。
The Chinese are intelligent and hardworking.
类似这样的句子,谓语动词用are. 因为说的是people,就是Stacey说的tribe / group / race

但是假如说:"the Oneida nation",就是作为所谓的集合名词,就用单数动词。但这时候,就不能用who来指代。就好比你可以用who指代"the Chinese",但不能用who指代"China".

from Ron:

this gets complicated with native american tribes.  for example,
* 'the iroquois nation' is an 'it', not a 'who', but
* 'the iroquois' is a plural 'who', for exactly the same reason cited by stacey above.

if you aren't from the u.s., i can understand your confusion.  do try to internalize the patterns you see here, though; the gmat loooooves questions involving gratuitous facts about various minorities, and native american tribes certainly qualify for inclusion in that category.


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baby姐啊,你看看我上面写的对不对啊
我自己从意思上觉得O这里倾向一个整体概念的,anyway这个没关系啊
只是这个句子的问题在于重心偏离了,就是我上面解释的那个原因,你看看对不~

This is a tough question. I did it wrong.... See here for detailed explanations from Stacey and Ron
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/greatly-influenced-by-the-protestant-missionary-samuel-t648.html

Honestly I do not know "Oneida" is a word similar to "Americans" (and hence requires plural verb), but I like the idea raised by a student (and approved by Ron) in the above link:

Two Possibilities:
1) For somebody who doesn't know about Oneida would take it as a league/ some association/nation  and hence singular. In that case, 'was' would be correct and 'who' would be incorrect.

2) If I know that  "the Oneida" refers to an entire tribe / group / race and hence plural, then 'was' would be incorrect and 'who' would be correct.

So in both the cases option 'A' would be wrong.


问你道题目吧,有空帮我看看,很简单我就是纠结什么是集合名词,是集体名词么?manhatten里面讲的集体名词不是用单数么? army  什么的,都用单数啊。
Greatly influenced by the Protestant missionary Samuel Kirkland, the Oneida was the only one of
the five-nation Iroquois League who sided with the colonists during the American Revolution.

(A) was the only one of the five-nation Iroquois League who sided
(B) was alone of the five-nation Iroquois League when they sided
(C) alone among the five nations of the Iroquois League sided
(D) were the only ones out of the five nations of the Iroquois League in siding
(E) only of the five-nation Iroquois League had sided
-- by 会员 evamimi (2012/3/28 20:30:29)
-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/3/29 4:15:38)


-- by 会员 evamimi (2012/3/29 9:24:02)

306#
发表于 2012-3-29 11:43:53 | 只看该作者
谢谢baby,这题看上去超级eassy,很短,而且很清晰,就是那个单词确实特别绕人。
307#
发表于 2012-3-29 11:45:00 | 只看该作者
呵呵,我觉得玩WOW的女孩子很个性。加油!

2012年03月29日

觉得我的进度狗爬一样啊,一天最多过掉manhattan一章然后刷一下后面的分类题目,而且最近因为Helr的洗脑看manhattan的时候都木有那种神圣的感觉了,因为要理解句意做每个句子的时间远远大于2m'啊要死了...

明显觉得勤劳程度木有一战那么大....而且长时间木有娱乐的生活让我越发手痒,越发xxx...

其实说来丢人
我经常学不下去的时候,就想起一个很简单的梦想
就是尼玛学好了我要去blizzard朝圣,
乃门不觉得这个想法很让人有动力啊哈哈哈~~
其他那都是浮云啊浮云啊啊哈哈~~

感觉自己已经疯了嘿嘿~~
苦逼依旧嘞~,单词背不完,题目分析不完,望天的时候脑子里竟然浮现的是wow贫瘠之地那悠远宽广的bgm以及一望无际的红土路啊啊啊~
-- by 会员 evamimi (2012/3/29 10:15:49)


308#
 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-29 12:06:42 | 只看该作者
个性谈不上,中毒太深而已....
lz acg死宅,所以现在才悲剧...
309#
发表于 2012-3-29 13:09:59 | 只看该作者
弱弱的问一下“lz”=楼主 acg 啥意思?
310#
发表于 2012-3-29 13:11:13 | 只看该作者
谢谢,我明白了。baby这题考虑的非常深入。
-- by 会员 chensong211 (2012/3/29 9:54:52)

umm........这个题目我个人不太同意Ron他们的说法。 这个句子你看,无论哪个选项都是说 那个O是 “one of the five-nation Iroquois League”,即使Oneida指什么国民,那也是一个算作一个整体。这个句子并没有要拆开看这些国民的意思。所以,用单数这里没有问题。答案是C没错。A中的问题在who这里,这个who,我一定会把它作为“five-nation Iroquois League”的修饰。因为这里who后面的内容我看不出修饰five-nation Iroquois League有什么问题。所以我看句子就会把它和近的放在一起。但是A显然不是说这些个league都是和什么殖民站在一起的(only那个词很明显是说只有O这一个)。至于句子重心问题,我看A和C的重心虽然不同,但是我一时间很难判断出那个更好些(如果你思考很久,肯定会觉得C更好),所以我就默认两个都可以,这个不是我需要reasoning的点。
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