commodity trading

shockhaoliu

share some of my humble experience, from hiring point of view, trading houses are quite alike hedge funds, as physical commodity is quite a niche market, its demand is very well supplied by the "industry people", moving between shops. Unlike the majors, who have been giving a proper training platform and willing to invest into education, trading houses expect you to have relevant working experience and can be hands on immediately; and even they provide, the training will be very much to the work itself; while the enormous fundamental knowledge, oil for instance. refinery, supply and demand by region and by country, shipping market is not being taught, new birds will have to gone through a VERY TOUGH way of self-learning, and for us we all know, working environment is not as friendly as CD;

oops sorry if its not very encouraging, but just want to share other side of the industry, 不要打我

tianya111

glencore全球才2000多人。做大宗商品，Goldman更多地只是broker，glencore才是真正的主角，他们因为做实体贸易，所以对价格走势的预判会更准。而且实力强大。Vitol在油价130、140美金时反手做空，放的空单相当于中国1年的原油进口量。

在这种纸货、现货通吃，金融资本、资源和政治影响力无所不有的大鳄面前，goldman只能算二流吧。

pansimply

强帖留名，我只来学习的。

pansimply

在百度知道看到一个人回答的问题，看来是业内人士，呵呵。
http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/243936247.html

hxdthegreat

Trafigura来过俺学校开过宣讲会
http://www.yingjiesheng.com/job-000-463-846.html
不过那时候不知道Trafigura是什么，所以没去听
也想进入这一行，大家多交流~

Trafigura has got trainee program but not very openly recruited, and most trading houses are recruited on a referral approach, from insiders. If you are so much interested in commodity trading, why not try majors first, BP Shell Chevron, BP used to have an extraordinary 3 yrs Challenger Program which could lead you the way to trading or other aspects of physical and paper trading, ie. physical operator, blender; Shell have a similar one but not so much dedicated to trading, rather as a general graduate program and both are open to public, not so secretive as trading houses ones. Hope it helps

-- by 会员 shockhaoliu (2011/5/31 13:15:49)

shockhaoliu

谢谢你的信息，的确不了解在国内的招聘情况。给大家分享一下我的同事发给我的，可以了解他们的诉求，希望找什么样的人，大家看过就好，不要转载，不懂有没有版权追究，谢谢

• Company
  

Trafigura Ltd

• Location
  

Singapore

• Remuneration
  

competitive

• Position Type
  

Permanent

• Employment type
  

Full time

• Updated
  

08-Apr-2011
789707
The Junior Oil Trader programme is aimed at candidates who have already gained a level of trading experience (1-3 years) from a commodity or financial environment and are ready to accelerate their careers within a physical energy and metals trading environment.
Trafigura trades commodities, such as crude oil, refined products, concentrates and refined metals and provides the ships and facilities to store and transport them. Physical trading is a long-term business. Investment in and access to key physical assets around the world is central to our business model. Management of ships, storage tanks, mines and other logistical assets gives us a business advantage while demonstrating our commitment to the territories in which we operate. With a turnover of US$ 79 billion in 2010 we operate in offices in 44 countries across the globe trading over 2 million barrels a day of crude and oil products and over 9 million tons of concentrates and refined metals per annum.
Recruiting locations:
? Geneva
? Houston
? Singapore
Before entering a front-line commercial role, candidates are exposed to the Trafigura business model trough a 1 year training programme designed to ensure the fastest possible time to productivity and guarantee long term career potential: 6 months in Deals: understanding how pricing exposure is managed using derivative products, the valuation and  reporting of business using mark to market, the construction of forward curves and cost structures  associated with a physical deal; and 6 month in Ops/Traffic: coordinating all shipping/logistics in order to effect the trade smoothly and successfully while minimising risks and maximising profit.
Trafigura is a global business and successful candidates will be offered the opportunity to carry out International placements and therefore should be globally mobile both during the training programme and throughout their career.
Successful candidates will possess an entrepreneurial outlook and demonstrable interest in the markets we participate in.  A strong degree level education is required (in any discipline), along with a high level of literacy and clarity when communicating trading ideas/complex concepts. Good quantitative skills, communication skills and evidence of previous achievements will ensure applicants stand out. Please apply to your current closest location.

Trafigura来过俺学校开过宣讲会
http://www.yingjiesheng.com/job-000-463-846.html
不过那时候不知道Trafigura是什么，所以没去听
也想进入这一行，大家多交流~

Trafigura has got trainee program but not very openly recruited, and most trading houses are recruited on a referral approach, from insiders. If you are so much interested in commodity trading, why not try majors first, BP Shell Chevron, BP used to have an extraordinary 3 yrs Challenger Program which could lead you the way to trading or other aspects of physical and paper trading, ie. physical operator, blender; Shell have a similar one but not so much dedicated to trading, rather as a general graduate program and both are open to public, not so secretive as trading houses ones. Hope it helps

-- by 会员 shockhaoliu (2011/5/31 13:15:49)

-- by 会员 hxdthegreat (2011/6/2 20:06:32)

tianya111

谢谢shockhaoliu的分享

热心却又这么低调，呵呵

zbb88

托克这个待遇不错。

tianya111

楼上说说trader是不是和其它公司的sales类似？

commodity公司会允许中间人介绍业务吗？

pascale

做trading要天赋，非常折磨人的。