理工科的为什么不申请生物统计，统计，计算机博士呢？

Mengsk

OF COURSE FINANCE JOBS ARE SHRINKING. We are in the middle of a HUGE crisis caused by finance guys. What else can we expect? Finance guys keep on flourishing when the entire world is going to the sink because of these guys.


But I expect wallstreet to recover in no more than 2 years.


ADD: also note that as a finance guy, even if he goes to Asia, say hong kong or even China, he can probably still make MORE than a biostatistics guy working in the US.

Salary is one of the consideration. But should you also consider which choice has more job opportunities?


The precondition of your conclusion is that those two graduates can both get a Faculty job in USA.  How about the Finance guy can not get a job in USA? A lot of reports showed that Biostatistics PhD graduates have more and more chances while Finance ones' job market is shrinking.

这个评论的前提假设是商科博士回报率比理工科的高？ 事实真的如此么？ 我认识几个同一个学校的FinancePhd （那个领域还是美国前几名的。导师是前25的人， 美国没有机会去了亚洲，工资会降一个等级）就业还不如生物统计的呢。商科留在美国找工作不见的比那三个理工专业的容易呢。

-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/18 17:25:34)

even if you halve the salary of a finance faculty, its probably still higher than the salary of a natural science faculty

-- by 会员 Mengsk (2011/5/19 4:15:51)

-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/19 10:43:53)

IVOWELCH

your implicit assumption is that these two ppl are homogeneous except for their majors and schools. Is that true?

moreover, your sample size is too small, so do not generalize.

BTW, faculty job in asian is way much better than a sas programmer job in pharmaceutical company in the states.

为什么总是估计呢？　我亲眼见到同一个学校毕业的Finance PhD 和生物统计PhD的结果不同。那个Ｆｉｎａｎｃｅ的是北大本硕，ｇｍａｔ狂高，导师是他的领域前２５的学者。可是没有找到美国合适职位，去了亚洲。　生物统计的那个是武汉大学本科，一个破美国学校硕士，结果去了美国大药厂总部。专业对就业和未来影响重大。　　

难道你觉得大家又真的是热爱生物和计算机吗？
国内有多少人是根据自己的天赋和兴趣读的专业呢？真正有兴趣有天赋的人读不了，没天赋没兴趣的被逼着去读
既然已经无关兴趣了，那为什么不现实点，选个回报高点的专业继续读呢

-- by 会员 cobbleqxz (2011/5/18 12:38:13)

这个评论的前提假设是商科博士回报率比理工科的高？ 事实真的如此么？ 我认识几个同一个学校的FinancePhd （那个领域还是美国前几名的。导师是前25的人， 美国没有机会去了亚洲，工资会降一个等级）就业还不如生物统计的呢。

control和treatment的人都完全不一样，你比个啥劲啊。这些人到了生物统计，估计连工作都找不到。

商科留在美国找工作不见的比那三个理工专业的容易呢。

-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/18 17:25:34)

-- by 会员 IVOWELCH (2011/5/19 9:03:43)

-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/19 10:33:42)

alashanghai

That is just an example to show the reality. If you want to see more samples, use Google to find more.
Some articles online also described the phenomenon.  You can use the search engine to find those info.
I would prefer to believe the point of  "faculty job in Asia is way much better than something"  is your personal view. The guy I mentioned in the pharmaceutical company is proud to work on that position. It seems that he never considered to become a professor.

your implicit assumption is that these two ppl are homogeneous except for their majors and schools. Is that true?

moreover, your sample size is too small, so do not generalize.

BTW, faculty job in asian is way much better than a sas programmer job in pharmaceutical company in the states.

为什么总是估计呢？　我亲眼见到同一个学校毕业的Finance PhD 和生物统计PhD的结果不同。那个Ｆｉｎａｎｃｅ的是北大本硕，ｇｍａｔ狂高，导师是他的领域前２５的学者。可是没有找到美国合适职位，去了亚洲。　生物统计的那个是武汉大学本科，一个破美国学校硕士，结果去了美国大药厂总部。专业对就业和未来影响重大。　　

难道你觉得大家又真的是热爱生物和计算机吗？
国内有多少人是根据自己的天赋和兴趣读的专业呢？真正有兴趣有天赋的人读不了，没天赋没兴趣的被逼着去读
既然已经无关兴趣了，那为什么不现实点，选个回报高点的专业继续读呢

-- by 会员 cobbleqxz (2011/5/18 12:38:13)

这个评论的前提假设是商科博士回报率比理工科的高？ 事实真的如此么？ 我认识几个同一个学校的FinancePhd （那个领域还是美国前几名的。导师是前25的人， 美国没有机会去了亚洲，工资会降一个等级）就业还不如生物统计的呢。

control和treatment的人都完全不一样，你比个啥劲啊。这些人到了生物统计，估计连工作都找不到。

商科留在美国找工作不见的比那三个理工专业的容易呢。

-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/18 17:25:34)

-- by 会员 IVOWELCH (2011/5/19 9:03:43)

-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/19 10:33:42)

-- by 会员 IVOWELCH (2011/5/19 11:58:02)

Mengsk

If your goal is just to find A job in the US, then don't do a phd

Mengsk

.......

IVOWELCH

That is just an example to show the reality. If you want to see more samples, use Google to find more.
Some articles online also described the phenomenon.  You can use the search engine to find those info.
I would prefer to believe the point of  "faculty job in Asia is way much better than something"  is your personal view. The guy I mentioned in the pharmaceutical company is proud to work on that position. It seems that he never considered to become a professor.



idiots are also very happy everyday, do you also believe that? I was statistics major previously, I know lots of ppl with stats phd working in pharmaceutical company as statistician, which is much better than sas programmer job for stats master, almost all of them complain that the job is so boring. Being proud as a sas programmer is the biggest joke I have ever heard in my life.

your implicit assumption is that these two ppl are homogeneous except for their majors and schools. Is that true?

moreover, your sample size is too small, so do not generalize.

BTW, faculty job in asian is way much better than a sas programmer job in pharmaceutical company in the states.

为什么总是估计呢？　我亲眼见到同一个学校毕业的Finance PhD 和生物统计PhD的结果不同。那个Ｆｉｎａｎｃｅ的是北大本硕，ｇｍａｔ狂高，导师是他的领域前２５的学者。可是没有找到美国合适职位，去了亚洲。　生物统计的那个是武汉大学本科，一个破美国学校硕士，结果去了美国大药厂总部。专业对就业和未来影响重大。　　

难道你觉得大家又真的是热爱生物和计算机吗？
国内有多少人是根据自己的天赋和兴趣读的专业呢？真正有兴趣有天赋的人读不了，没天赋没兴趣的被逼着去读
既然已经无关兴趣了，那为什么不现实点，选个回报高点的专业继续读呢

-- by 会员 cobbleqxz (2011/5/18 12:38:13)

这个评论的前提假设是商科博士回报率比理工科的高？ 事实真的如此么？ 我认识几个同一个学校的FinancePhd （那个领域还是美国前几名的。导师是前25的人， 美国没有机会去了亚洲，工资会降一个等级）就业还不如生物统计的呢。

control和treatment的人都完全不一样，你比个啥劲啊。这些人到了生物统计，估计连工作都找不到。

商科留在美国找工作不见的比那三个理工专业的容易呢。

-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/18 17:25:34)

-- by 会员 IVOWELCH (2011/5/19 9:03:43)

-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/19 10:33:42)

-- by 会员 IVOWELCH (2011/5/19 11:58:02)

-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/19 12:12:47)

Mengsk

IVOWELCH: I agree with you generally. I am a stats masters (top few places). I must say that stats is actually not that bad. The PhD program only takes in a few people every year, not more than some bigger finance programs out there. There is also a large demand (well not now) for stats PhDs in the finance sector. So I would put statistics on the same level as some of other b-school programs like operations research etc.

cobbleqxz

不是好不好找工作的问题好不，找不着得到工作跟个人关系更大，不要老怪专业

而是假设能找到工作，年薪是多少的问题

物理的，PhD毕业，进德州仪器，年薪也就8万美金
生物统计，年薪一般不超过10万，在9万左右
生物其他专业更低
而商科，统计数据很清楚，进高校做AP，finance平均年薪最高，15万还是多少，具体忘了
商科其他专业，进高校，平均年薪也都在11万以上
商科Finance毕业如果能进投行，那年薪就不止这个数了

zjq407

混的不太行的stat/biostat PHD才会去药厂的，能去IB或者拿到教职谁会去药厂啊
另外biostat这几年就业已经在下滑了，好年景已经过去了

IVOWELCH

是的, 我知道好几个去了200多名学校当faculty的人, 当初都拿到了merck, pfizer的offer. 最后去药厂的phd一般要么是没找到教职,或者说好的教职,要么就是2个人要在一起,地域要求比较高.

混的不太行的stat/biostat PHD才会去药厂的，能去IB或者拿到教职谁会去药厂啊
另外biostat这几年就业已经在下滑了，好年景已经过去了

-- by 会员 zjq407 (2011/5/20 1:02:57)