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理工科的为什么不申请生物统计,统计,计算机博士呢?

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11#
发表于 2011-5-18 22:38:59 | 只看该作者
因为TOP校的统计PHD一点也不比Finance PHD好申,另外一点就是这些专业的Top program倾向于招收优秀的本科生。
北大清华的理工科专业最厉害的本科生还是直接会去H大P大S大这些学校读相应专业的PHD的~理工科先读个master再转行申请的,往往背景上还是有那么一些欠缺
12#
发表于 2011-5-19 04:03:18 | 只看该作者
biology? do you not see all those postdocs struggling for life in the states?

also, you know for a top school, how many people graduate with accounting phd each year? how many people graduate with finance phd each year? how many graduate with biology/biochem each year? its something like 2,4,100
13#
发表于 2011-5-19 04:15:51 | 只看该作者
这个评论的前提假设是商科博士回报率比理工科的高? 事实真的如此么? 我认识几个同一个学校的FinancePhd (那个领域还是美国前几名的。导师是前25的人, 美国没有机会去了亚洲,工资会降一个等级)就业还不如生物统计的呢。商科留在美国找工作不见的比那三个理工专业的容易呢。
-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/18 17:25:34)




even if you halve the salary of a finance faculty, its probably still higher than the salary of a natural science faculty
14#
发表于 2011-5-19 09:03:43 | 只看该作者
难道你觉得大家又真的是热爱生物和计算机吗?
国内有多少人是根据自己的天赋和兴趣读的专业呢?真正有兴趣有天赋的人读不了,没天赋没兴趣的被逼着去读
既然已经无关兴趣了,那为什么不现实点,选个回报高点的专业继续读呢
-- by 会员 cobbleqxz (2011/5/18 12:38:13)





这个评论的前提假设是商科博士回报率比理工科的高? 事实真的如此么? 我认识几个同一个学校的FinancePhd (那个领域还是美国前几名的。导师是前25的人, 美国没有机会去了亚洲,工资会降一个等级)就业还不如生物统计的呢。

control和treatment的人都完全不一样,你比个啥劲啊。这些人到了生物统计,估计连工作都找不到。

商科留在美国找工作不见的比那三个理工专业的容易呢。
-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/18 17:25:34)

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-19 10:26:39 | 只看该作者
因为TOP校的统计PHD一点也不比Finance PHD好申,另外一点就是这些专业的Top program倾向于招收优秀的本科生。
北大清华的理工科专业最厉害的本科生还是直接会去H大P大S大这些学校读相应专业的PHD的~理工科先读个master再转行申请的,往往背景上还是有那么一些欠缺
-- by 会员 zjq407 (2011/5/18 22:38:59)



我觉得如果top的统计申不到,那么top的finance phd 就更申请不到。 普通的统计比普通的financephd 更容易申请。这个比较才有意义。
16#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-19 10:28:10 | 只看该作者
biology? do you not see all those postdocs struggling for life in the states?

also, you know for a top school, how many people graduate with accounting phd each year? how many people graduate with finance phd each year? how many graduate with biology/biochem each year? its something like 2,4,100
-- by 会员 Mengsk (2011/5/19 4:03:18)



Biostatistics is not exactly equal to Biology. They are two different disciplines.
17#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-19 10:33:42 | 只看该作者
为什么总是估计呢? 我亲眼见到同一个学校毕业的Finance PhD 和生物统计PhD的结果不同。那个Finance的是北大本硕,gmat狂高,导师是他的领域前25的学者。可是没有找到美国合适职位,去了亚洲。 生物统计的那个是武汉大学本科,一个破美国学校硕士,结果去了美国大药厂总部。专业对就业和未来影响重大。  




难道你觉得大家又真的是热爱生物和计算机吗?
国内有多少人是根据自己的天赋和兴趣读的专业呢?真正有兴趣有天赋的人读不了,没天赋没兴趣的被逼着去读
既然已经无关兴趣了,那为什么不现实点,选个回报高点的专业继续读呢
-- by 会员 cobbleqxz (2011/5/18 12:38:13)







这个评论的前提假设是商科博士回报率比理工科的高? 事实真的如此么? 我认识几个同一个学校的FinancePhd (那个领域还是美国前几名的。导师是前25的人, 美国没有机会去了亚洲,工资会降一个等级)就业还不如生物统计的呢。

control和treatment的人都完全不一样,你比个啥劲啊。这些人到了生物统计,估计连工作都找不到。

商科留在美国找工作不见的比那三个理工专业的容易呢。
-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/18 17:25:34)



-- by 会员 IVOWELCH (2011/5/19 9:03:43)


18#
发表于 2011-5-19 10:42:51 | 只看该作者
statistics phds are great. Getting a stanford or berkeley or harvard statistics phd means great job prospects. They are not less competitive than, say top10 finance.

I would say statistics is one of the very few phd programs outside of b-school that are almost just as good for ones career. They tend to be small, and the skill you learn are useful for industry (biostats, wallstreet).


It is all about supply and demand. What are the criteria for best phd fields? 1. super-low student faculty ratio (which gives you easy academic placement), 2. good industry job prospects. I don't think any other phd programs other than statistics have those two features.


computer science used to be good back in the tech-bubble days because the demand is so high despite the also high supply. Now its garbage.


One interesting observation: For Chinese, there seems to be a "ring" on finance or business that statistics don't have. Just like the older generation of Chinese all want to go into physics or hard sciences in general when they were young, this generation of Chinese hate theory and LOVES business.
19#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-19 10:43:53 | 只看该作者
Salary is one of the consideration. But should you also consider which choice has more job opportunities?


The precondition of your conclusion is that those two graduates can both get a Faculty job in USA.  How about the Finance guy can not get a job in USA? A lot of reports showed that Biostatistics PhD graduates have more and more chances while Finance ones' job market is shrinking.


这个评论的前提假设是商科博士回报率比理工科的高? 事实真的如此么? 我认识几个同一个学校的FinancePhd (那个领域还是美国前几名的。导师是前25的人, 美国没有机会去了亚洲,工资会降一个等级)就业还不如生物统计的呢。商科留在美国找工作不见的比那三个理工专业的容易呢。
-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/18 17:25:34)





even if you halve the salary of a finance faculty, its probably still higher than the salary of a natural science faculty
-- by 会员 Mengsk (2011/5/19 4:15:51)

20#
发表于 2011-5-19 10:52:19 | 只看该作者
Going to Hong Kong is not too bad, both industry-wise and academia-wise. Especially industry, its a good choice.

Let us consider the WORST case. If you go to say Beida for a junior faculty position. If you come from finance/accounting, you need to be a marginally top50, fresh phd. You get paid a total compensation package of 40wan a year. If you come from anything outside the B-school, you need to be probably better than top50, with few years of postdoc, and you get paid maybe 7wan a year.


So that is the difference.


为什么总是估计呢? 我亲眼见到同一个学校毕业的Finance PhD 和生物统计PhD的结果不同。那个Finance的是北大本硕,gmat狂高,导师是他的领域前25的学者。可是没有找到美国合适职位,去了亚洲。 生物统计的那个是武汉大学本科,一个破美国学校硕士,结果去了美国大药厂总部。专业对就业和未来影响重大。  




难道你觉得大家又真的是热爱生物和计算机吗?
国内有多少人是根据自己的天赋和兴趣读的专业呢?真正有兴趣有天赋的人读不了,没天赋没兴趣的被逼着去读
既然已经无关兴趣了,那为什么不现实点,选个回报高点的专业继续读呢
-- by 会员 cobbleqxz (2011/5/18 12:38:13)








这个评论的前提假设是商科博士回报率比理工科的高? 事实真的如此么? 我认识几个同一个学校的FinancePhd (那个领域还是美国前几名的。导师是前25的人, 美国没有机会去了亚洲,工资会降一个等级)就业还不如生物统计的呢。

control和treatment的人都完全不一样,你比个啥劲啊。这些人到了生物统计,估计连工作都找不到。

商科留在美国找工作不见的比那三个理工专业的容易呢。
-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/18 17:25:34)




-- by 会员 IVOWELCH (2011/5/19 9:03:43)



-- by 会员 alashanghai (2011/5/19 10:33:42)

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