Kellogg Or Wharton for Finance PhD

czisbest

I agree with you. Except for those big four, other schools are almost in the same level.

Mengsk

请问香港科大是什么水平？应该是亚洲做的最好的了吧。看它在ASU上排名相当高，感觉和大陆天上地下。综合实力相当于美国top50么？相当于top30么？我不特别清楚香港的水平，谢谢。

edog

I think HKUST is pretty good, and their publishing record has been quite strong in recent years. The issues is - do you really want to be a professor in HK (which is a very nice city) when the city worships bankers (who are maybe half as smart) in Central?

enhancer00

I don't understand why UCLA, Columbia, Duke and NYU are worse than Kellogg and Wharton. None of them Columbia, Duke and NYU all have similar, if not better placement than Kellogg.

Thanks moontroy，我主要是想找一个balance，我想这就是我纠结的原因。我想找一个教职，但是以后长远还是想回国。我还有UCLA, Columbia和Duke和NYU，但是我都不考虑了，因为综合名气（管院排名或者是本科/综合排名）太低。columbia因为它的placement比wharton还水。

所以就剩kellogg和wharton了。学术上我觉得是tier1 斯坦福（理论） 芝加哥（应用）， tier 2 MIT NYU， tier 3 Duke Kellogg Berkeley UCLA。 总的来tier1到tier2 的差距大于tier3到tier2的差距。

学术上就不说了（纯走美国学术我就去NYU了，但是这个学校实在是在国内感觉被认为是野鸡，特别又和上海高了个分校以后）。kellogg的名气不如wharton（wharton is top3 B-school），但是也是一个top5（well, some tie with chicago and MIT, so 6 school in top5) 的B-school。所以就narrow down到这两个了。

-- by 会员 Mengsk (2011/4/5 4:50:03)

enhancer00

谢谢。主要是只是想年轻的时候在学校积累，因为1.我比较喜欢也相对擅长研究，2.国内金融学术真的相对太菜了，3.在美国积累一些年回国能弄一个高位。回国以后我就要一点点脱离学术了，逐渐担负起忽悠中国1亿股民的重任。所以我觉得学校名声还是不能忽略的。
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please have some concienciousness, lz. A stronger China derives from the wealth and well being of the Chinese people. And without a strong China, overseas Chinese will be treated worse, right? You've been here for years. I don't
know how you feel, but I don't like the American's natural sense of entitlement and would prefer a powerful China to an extra million dollar of my personal wealth. Because that makes me prouder and enjoy more resourses in return from what my country explores as a whole.

Admittedly, this is not an one-man's job. If you don't do it, there will be others. But if we all have a sense of responsibility, good things like the coherency of a people can happen, like the Koreans and Japanese.  

这位的想法有点奇怪。你要留在学术界，关心非学术界的人对学校的看法干啥？国内的大妈们估计觉得MIT也是个野鸡学校。那有啥关系？

-- by 会员 Stiglitz (2011/4/5 10:00:56)

-- by 会员 Mengsk (2011/4/5 11:02:24)

Mengsk

I like Kellogg over NYU and Columbia because I think Kellogg cares more about students. Kellogg has probably the best Chinese placement out of Duke, NYU and Columbia over the last ten years even ignoring He Zhiguo, a sign that it is a caring program and make an effort to place Chinese students (who are disadvantaged). Overall, in the last ten years Columbia's placement is worse than Kellogg. UCLA is comparable (or maybe slightly better). Duke has better placements, but the field they offer is narrow, and I don't like what they do there. NYU may not be a good place to be at for a Chinese phd. I heard push hard for one guy every year, and then everyone else goes down the sink to some extent (their Chinese placement is not really good).

Mengsk

问楼上。这个你引用的是哪里的啊。是这个板上的么？这都说的什么啊，没搞清楚。

Mengsk

呵呵，看个玩笑啊。我是又想好好搞学术又想挣钱啊。呵呵。

PS:看到您大谈责任，Winston Wen笑了

czisbest

Very reasonable and insightful analysis. Only one thing I disagree: if people want to go to financial industry, Columbia has better brand name than Kellogg, after all, Kellogg is not a finance school, instead famous for marketing and strategy. Maybe an OK place for PE job hunting, while I do not think PhD has any advantage compared to MBA students.

I like Kellogg over NYU and Columbia because I think Kellogg cares more about students. Kellogg has probably the best Chinese placement out of Duke, NYU and Columbia over the last ten years even ignoring He Zhiguo, a sign that it is a caring program and make an effort to place Chinese students (who are disadvantaged). Overall, in the last ten years Columbia's placement is worse than Kellogg. UCLA is comparable (or maybe slightly better). Duke has better placements, but the field they offer is narrow, and I don't like what they do there. NYU may not be a good place to be at for a Chinese phd. I heard push hard for one guy every year, and then everyone else goes down the sink to some extent (their Chinese placement is not really good).

-- by 会员 Mengsk (2011/4/7 7:55:08)

bill2008

谢谢。主要是只是想年轻的时候在学校积累，因为1.我比较喜欢也相对擅长研究，2.国内金融学术真的相对太菜了，3.在美国积累一些年回国能弄一个高位。回国以后我就要一点点脱离学术了，逐渐担负起忽悠中国1亿股民的重任。所以我觉得学校名声还是不能忽略的。
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please have some concienciousness, lz. A stronger China derives from the wealth and well being of the Chinese people. And without a strong China, overseas Chinese will be treated worse, right? You've been here for years. I don't
know how you feel, but I don't like the American's natural sense of entitlement and would prefer a powerful China to an extra million dollar of my personal wealth. Because that makes me prouder and enjoy more resourses in return from what my country explores as a whole.

Admittedly, this is not an one-man's job. If you don't do it, there will be others. But if we all have a sense of responsibility, good things like the coherency of a people can happen, like the Koreans and Japanese.  

这位的想法有点奇怪。你要留在学术界，关心非学术界的人对学校的看法干啥？国内的大妈们估计觉得MIT也是个野鸡学校。那有啥关系？

-- by 会员 Stiglitz (2011/4/5 10:00:56)

-- by 会员 Mengsk (2011/4/5 11:02:24)

-- by 会员 enhancer00 (2011/4/7 7:08:42)

not need to bash enhancer00. He/She also made a point