Kellogg Or Wharton for Finance PhD

Mengsk

I agree...the reason I prefer Kellogg over Columbia is solely faculty attention.

Well, I guess I also have this bad habit. I always want to associate myself with a top school/program. I wouldn't feel troubled putting "西北大学凯洛格商学院" into my resume, but I would if I put in "UCLA-Anderson（不会翻译）“ or ”纽约大学-斯登商学院“。当然这个不是很重要的考虑，不过也是爱面子的恶劣表现吧。

Mengsk

Finance at Kellogg is NOT as good as Columbia/Wharton. It is strong in consulting but in Finance it is behind. But it is true that Kellogg is trying to improve (getting more good, senior faculty in Finance as we speak). But 1. Significant rise in MBA ranking happen slowly (not within decade) because alumni network takes time to build, 2. Columbia is at NYC, Kellogg will NEVER have that advantage (a big advantage), 3. Wharton has a super-big global influence, and it take years to catch up to that.

Although I do think Wharton overall is somewhat on a very slow decline (although we will not see anyone beating it in the next 10 years at least).  There are articles that analyze deeply why this may be happening. The good old days when Wharton is clear #1 during the 80s and 90s (when like half of S&500 CEO are Wharton alumni) are probably gone. More and more CEOs or soon-to-be CEOs do not have Wharton MBA, but instead have Stanford, Harvard, or even Chicago/Kellogg/MIT MBAs.

Stiglitz

西北挺好的！

enhancer00

现在大家都是一边抱怨中国是个shit hole一边自己拼命捞，没得办法，没得办法。。

谢谢。主要是只是想年轻的时候在学校积累，因为1.我比较喜欢也相对擅长研究，2.国内金融学术真的相对太菜了，3.在美国积累一些年回国能弄一个高位。回国以后我就要一点点脱离学术了，逐渐担负起忽悠中国1亿股民的重任。所以我觉得学校名声还是不能忽略的。
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please have some concienciousness, lz. A stronger China derives from the wealth and well being of the Chinese people. And without a strong China, overseas Chinese will be treated worse, right? You've been here for years. I don't
know how you feel, but I don't like the American's natural sense of entitlement and would prefer a powerful China to an extra million dollar of my personal wealth. Because that makes me prouder and enjoy more resourses in return from what my country explores as a whole.

Admittedly, this is not an one-man's job. If you don't do it, there will be others. But if we all have a sense of responsibility, good things like the coherency of a people can happen, like the Koreans and Japanese.  

这位的想法有点奇怪。你要留在学术界，关心非学术界的人对学校的看法干啥？国内的大妈们估计觉得MIT也是个野鸡学校。那有啥关系？

-- by 会员 Stiglitz (2011/4/5 10:00:56)

-- by 会员 Mengsk (2011/4/5 11:02:24)

-- by 会员 enhancer00 (2011/4/7 7:08:42)

not need to bash enhancer00. He/She also made a point

-- by 会员 bill2008 (2011/4/7 9:06:13)

jingzhimeng

我会选kellogg，因为刚从wharton visit回来，和finance的几个人聊了一下，性格上不是很合适。。。

kndx5

呵呵,finance还能纠结一下,acc kellogg和wharton比差距太大了吧

我会选kellogg，因为刚从wharton visit回来，和finance的几个人聊了一下，性格上不是很合适。。。

-- by 会员 jingzhimeng (2011/4/8 0:21:11)

ChinaHawk

Please have some concienciousness, lz. A stronger China derives from the wealth and well being of the Chinese people. And without a strong China, overseas Chinese will be treated worse, right? You've been here for years. I don't
know how you feel, but I don't like the American's natural sense of entitlement and would prefer a powerful China to an extra million dollar of my personal wealth. Because that makes me prouder and enjoy more resourses in return from what my country explores as a whole.

Admittedly, this is not an one-man's job. If you don't do it, there will be others. But if we all have a sense of responsibility, good things like the coherency of a people can happen, like the Koreans and Japanese.  

这位兄台还是先把英语学好再来对人家进行道德教育吧。您老进了Kellogg还是Chicago啊？这高尚的道德水平，建议您上非诚勿扰找3号罗霭轩小姐。

-- by 会员 anakinsky (2011/4/7 8:29:59)

各人有各人的价值追求，攻击别人做甚。本人就很赞同他的观点。不过说贡献社会造福民族什么的人确实总会被不屑这些的人直接归为装B，也不知道到底是哪一方不正常

majia20112011

做theory还是Kellogg好，Ron Dye的学生不是去Columbia, Harvard就是去Stanford, Verecchia貌似这么多年就带了个Kim出来。 Empirical也看人，Kellogg的非中国人也有place到Chicago, MIT的，不过话说回来今年Wharton的一个ABC去了Kellogg

呵呵,finance还能纠结一下,acc kellogg和wharton比差距太大了吧

我会选kellogg，因为刚从wharton visit回来，和finance的几个人聊了一下，性格上不是很合适。。。

-- by 会员 jingzhimeng (2011/4/8 0:21:11)

-- by 会员 kndx5 (2011/4/8 2:30:35)

kndx5

是不是因为wharton的empirical强,所以去做analytical的动力也没那么大了?而且据说verrecchia本人很对学生比较picky,不是阿猫阿狗谁想跟着做都可以. kellogg到chicago那个做的其实还行,虽然连个associate都没混到,去mit那个就太一般了吧,在mit混了四年一篇jae都没有,完全说不过去啊.

做theory还是Kellogg好，Ron Dye的学生不是去Columbia, Harvard就是去Stanford, Verecchia貌似这么多年就带了个Kim出来。 Empirical也看人，Kellogg的非中国人也有place到Chicago, MIT的，不过话说回来今年Wharton的一个ABC去了Kellogg

呵呵,finance还能纠结一下,acc kellogg和wharton比差距太大了吧

我会选kellogg，因为刚从wharton visit回来，和finance的几个人聊了一下，性格上不是很合适。。。

-- by 会员 jingzhimeng (2011/4/8 0:21:11)

-- by 会员 kndx5 (2011/4/8 2:30:35)

-- by 会员 majia20112011 (2011/4/8 10:27:07)

Mengsk

wharton和kellogg我觉得总体各有千秋学校。不过wharton的Acct我觉得比Kellogg明显好。和kellogg相比wharton差的应该是Applied Econ（一个凑到一起的program）。Marketing应该也是Kellogg强吧。不过Wharton的stats很牛的。

其实wharton应该是一个金融著称的学校，本来应该有一个相当于MIT，斯坦福的PhD program。觉得去wharton visit的人也都比Duke，UCLA，Columbia和Kellogg强。把自己的program整成这样真实可惜了“Wharton”这个名字了。