[讨论]咨询的价值

atongmu

我更愿意选择某种industry实实在在的积累。Consulting的确有点空中楼阁。

qyqing

我觉得以Atongmu兄在MC积累的开阔眼界，再加上某个行业的深刻了解，定会成大器的。事实上，这也是我希望走的路线，不过我要补的是MC这一课。

fjapl

atongmu兄， 谢谢你的回贴。     不过既然你觉得consulting有点空中楼阁的话(其实我有同感， 但我没有在industry里工作过， 所以没有比较， 谁知道到了industry里又能接触到多少东西呢)， 为什么还建议我回国干老本行呢？是不是象我这种情况你觉得回国干consulting比较合适？    能帮我分析一下其他行业吗？    



我觉得我的问题是不了解中国的职场和风土人情 (想当初走的时候还是个黄毛丫头， 社交圈就是同是小毛孩的同学， 懂什么待人接物， 人情事故啊)。 如果回国自己创业是不是有很多困难呢？    又怎么克服呢？


希望大家多给点意见。 正面负面的我都愿意洗耳恭听。 只要不是板砖就行。


对了， 好像有点跑题了。 大家别介意。 把主题拉回来一下 - 如果有什么我能提供的关于北美MC的信息， 请尽管问。

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fjapl

以下是引用luoyx在2004-2-27 9:18:00的发言：
Fjapl, it seems that you have lived in US for a long time and have a solid background. You might have been used to the life, culture, and language there. And what's more important, you don't have the Green Card issue. If you don't mind, could you tell us what make you decide to get back to China? or share with us something about Chinese MBA's career in US from your point of view? Thanks in advance.

thanks for your reply.     yes, as you said, i have been living here for a long time and fairly adopted to the language and culture.     but, the key is to what degree.     speaking the language fluently does not mean i sound native, knowing the culture does not mean it is my culture (although i am fairly used to it and comfortable with it).     bottom line, living in a country for a long time does not make you a native of the country.     so you will always have your limitations, compare to the natives.        these limitations will limit your career progression, at least for the majority of the people under this scenario.        i have worked in this big4 for    four years now and met many executives (partners).     so far,    i have yet met any Chinese born executive (the only Chinese partner    i have met is an ABC).             fficeffice" />

why do I want to go back to china?     because    i miss it, and also i want to try my career out there, at least for a period of time.        my career path here in the US is pretty much a set path, there is not much room for me to try different things here.        on the other    hand,    my career in china would be an unknow for me, sort of like    gambling.        but unless    i try it,    i will never know what the result would be.     that’s why    i want to give it a try, and even if the experience failed, at least I tried so I won’t regret later.     does it make sense?

about Chinese MBA life in the ffice:smarttags" />US?     i don’t have a say really, since 1)    i    don't start until this fall so i don't know how it would be    yet 2) even if    i did,    i am afraid my experience won’t be very representative since my situation is some what different compare to the Chinese students directly from china.     however if you guys    are interested in my school experiences, i    will certainly update you in august

    

edit: typo    

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isaacycc

fjapl,


Can't agree with you more. Which school you will go this fall?

Schner

以下是引用atongmu在2004-2-25 11:16:00的发言：
Edberg在wharton面试一贴中提及了MC的价值和前途的问题，我相信很多朋友比较感兴趣，所以觉得很有必要单独开贴以深入讨论这个MBA金矿之一。



我在上海做MC两年，Top 3 的公司，碰到的人大概都是“精英”吧，感觉很糟很糟。觉得其实他们很可怜的。






网上很多朋友，希望毕业以后作MC，其实以后的出路，并没有想象的那么好。我的很多同事，离开MC后，很少找到企业高层的。在快退休的时候，拼命挣个几百万的，这一生事业也就这么打发了。



很多东西，没有我们想象的那么好。为了满足自己的虚荣心和“成就感”，最后付出代价的，也是自己。


by Edberg

没在咨询公司干过，也没亲密接触。但我还是认为consulting的东东很有用．


想想为什么跨国公司成功？consulting能在自认为很牛的跨国公司中取得合同？


藐视管理很悲哀，但最悲哀的是从事管理的还不重视！


记得饭店管理公司刚进入中国时，都觉得不适合中国国情，没用．但事实上现在他们领导了中国的饭店管理．


不是咨询没用，而是没理解到他（方案）的本质含义，也就没法联系实际，更不用说结合使用了．在加之，确实有一些＂利用咨询＂的事例，就造成了咨询没用的假象．


当然，咨询公司也需要（正在）了解中国国情，以便给出更佳的方案．

Schner

以下是引用zxrallen在2004-2-28 0:33:00的发言：
只在MC混日子的就觉得MC对企业没用，真正在MC认真干认真钻研地就觉得MC对企业有用，楼上的是这个意思吗？（转述楼上的意思）

没这意思！

fjapl

以下是引用isaacycc在2004-2-27 23:44:00的发言：
fjapl,



Can't agree with you more. Which school you will go this fall?

mit sloan.     how about you?