求助：中欧、长江、北大国际选哪个？

ckman

以下是引用christyyyy在2007-6-10 14:16:00的发言：

刚看了兄弟姐妹们的回复，感到帮助很大，不过还是有一些疑问，想听听大家的看法，一个是，中欧今年招180个人，人这么多会不会增加就业的压力和减少每个人从就业服务中心获得帮助的机会，相比而言，北大的50个人似乎小而精；第二，如果在上海读了中欧，到时候想回北京比起北大来是不是困难点？可确实中欧的名气大，我看了看网页，教授似乎也比北大好和多。

还望热心人不吝赐教：）

1. Given the current Chinese economy development path, job placement will not be an issue in the end if you are of high quality

2. there should be no effect. check with alumni of all three schools.

From the questions you are asking you see to be quite young and inexperienced. how many years have you been out of college? let me guess

a. never been out of Beijing ( I mean school or job)

b. less than 6 years of working experience

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-6-10 14:36:30编辑过]

mickle2002

还是看你的就业方向和未来职业发展，
1，中欧名气大，MARKETING是强项，扩招会有所影响但论到个人无所谓的，找工作还是看自己的工作背景和与职位的匹配度，这3个学校都在一个LEVEL上对公司来讲
2，是看你想从MBA中得到什么，中欧的整个营销做的很好，长江的金融也不错，他们的资金比BIMBA的多所以名教授更多一些是事实，但是来BIMBA绝不是光上BIMBA老师的课啊，北大清华国内国外英语中文的名老师的课任意听每年诺奖的就来N多人，这是优势，而在中欧和长江好象能听到中文课的机会不多，呵呵，象这学期一些同学听谢百三的课炒股都发了，羡慕啊。
3，NETWORK，在北京发展当然最好在北京积累人脉了，CCER和JP MORGAN，CICC，CITI GROUP什么的 走的很近，所以BIMBA的学生可以沾些光了。中欧快在北京开新学校了可能，过几年在北京读中欧也许更好，但现在中欧的校友大部分还在上海，而BIMBA基本在北京

过氧化氢

我在五月份时也面临同样的选择，下面是我的一些想法，供楼主参考。

1.想在哪个城市发展就选哪个城市的学校，毕竟中国还是一个很需要讲“关系”或者叫“人脉”的国家，选择同一个城市的学校不仅只是同学的人脉关系，还有学校和教授的人脉，都会对职业发展有所帮助。

2.这三所学校是中国MBA教育的一流院校，我相信在任何一所学校里所学的知识都差不太多。同样，三所学校能提供给同学就业机会也大体相同，更多的还是要看个人。

christyyyy

以下是引用ckman在2007-6-10 14:34:00的发言：

1. Given the current Chinese economy development path, job placement will not be an issue in the end if you are of high quality

2. there should be no effect. check with alumni of all three schools.

From the questions you are asking you see to be quite young and inexperienced. how many years have you been out of college? let me guess

a. never been out of Beijing ( I mean school or job)

b. less than 6 years of working experience

我工作年限确实比较短，其实出去过北京，但考虑到一辈子工作和生活的城市，还是北京，所以network方面就得做长远考虑，我想在北京的中欧和长江校友应该远远小于北大国际的吧？其实我很喜欢长江的说。

christyyyy

以下是引用mickle2002在2007-6-10 14:44:00的发言：
还是看你的就业方向和未来职业发展，
1，中欧名气大，MARKETING是强项，扩招会有所影响但论到个人无所谓的，找工作还是看自己的工作背景和与职位的匹配度，这3个学校都在一个LEVEL上对公司来讲
2，是看你想从MBA中得到什么，中欧的整个营销做的很好，长江的金融也不错，他们的资金比BIMBA的多所以名教授更多一些是事实，但是来BIMBA绝不是光上BIMBA老师的课啊，北大清华国内国外英语中文的名老师的课任意听每年诺奖的就来N多人，这是优势，而在中欧和长江好象能听到中文课的机会不多，呵呵，象这学期一些同学听谢百三的课炒股都发了，羡慕啊。
3，NETWORK，在北京发展当然最好在北京积累人脉了，CCER和JP MORGAN，CICC，CITI GROUP什么的 走的很近，所以BIMBA的学生可以沾些光了。中欧快在北京开新学校了可能，过几年在北京读中欧也许更好，但现在中欧的校友大部分还在上海，而BIMBA基本在北京

不知道你了不了解情况，我怎么听说bi的毕业证不是北大发的呢？刚才看bimba的网站，说毕业证是由美国教育联盟和ccer的主人联名签署的。有没有拿到毕业证的同学说一说呢 

yorkatlas

以下是引用fredl7在2007-6-10 12:31:00的发言：
“CK同学”实在是太无聊了，和中欧比，和北大比，然后和香港科大比。在这个论坛上我从来没有看过其他学校之间冲突的帖子，每次争论得很无聊的时候，其中一定有一方是CK
回想起当年还有“CK同学”发了一系列“XX学校和XX学校XX之比较的文章。现在又在这说

”Do you have the names of these
"国外的经验丰富的老师上的包括ACCOUNTING" and more information or related web page for
the applicants to search to find out how they compare with permanent
faculties at CKGSB and CEIBS?”

想来那个发文的就是阁下？不知道这种无聊的比较正是没底气的表现吗？

嘴仗打赢了又如何，能抹掉CK没有人直接进过投行的历史吗？

这位申请的candidate如果你选择北大的话很欢迎，如果不选北大，建议去中欧。你在投行网申选择毕业院校的时候连CK这个学校都没有。
“CK的同学”给人的感觉都象是招生办的，不过我们没时间奉陪了。请去和其他学校“竞争”吧

请北大的同学不要对此帖进行回应了。

毫无疑问,你已经告诉我长江有间接进入投行的了.哈哈.开个玩笑.

mickle2002

不知道你了不了解情况，我怎么听说bi的毕业证不是北大发的呢？刚才看bimba的网站，说毕业证是由美国教育联盟和ccer的主人联名签署的。有没有拿到毕业证的同学说一说呢

目前发的是
        Fordham University的学位证，毕业证无所谓的了光华每年发几百个北大的也不一定都被企业认可，中欧几年前的证书国家教委还不承认呢，其实读MBA最主要的是企业的承认！所以长江短短几年从没有人知道到现在企业也都认可了，证书只是找第1份工作的敲们砖，2年后就没大用了不管你是哈佛的还是普通的MBA都看业绩说话，这3所学校的职业介绍中心都不错，所以不用担心证书的问题因为找工作的履历大部分通过他们传过去没人看你证书，除非是CFA和CPA的证书有用。Fordham在中国虽然没人知道，但在纽约还是有区域优势的，来访的很多Fordham的MBA和EMBA都是做金融和投行的在纽约。在老美眼中和纽约大学一类的基本差不多。贴一个现在正上的MARKETING课教授的简历参考下（我们绝大部分课都是聘的海外教授上的）：

    

Richard Colombo
                

    

Visiting Professor, Beijing
International MBA Program at Peking
                University (BiMBA)

    

Associate Professor of Marketing, Fordham
                University
                Graduate
                School
of Business
                

    

Dr. Colombo holds a Ph. D and an MBA degree
from Columbia University Graduate School of Business. He also holds a MA
Natural Science Tripos (Physics) from Cambridge
  University, England.
                

    

He has served as a Social Survey Officer,
Research Manager and Consultant to various client Government Departments, etc.,
at the Office of Population Censuses and Surveys, London, U.K.
from 1970 to 1982.  Since 1986 he has
taught at Columbia University Graduate School of Business, Yale University
School of Management, New York University Leonard Stern School of Business and
                Fordham
                    University
                        Graduate
                        School of Business. His teaching and research focus on marketing and has
published a lot of articles on various academic journals.

ckman

以下是引用christyyyy在2007-6-10 16:36:00的发言：

我工作年限确实比较短，其实出去过北京，但考虑到一辈子工作和生活的城市，还是北京，所以network方面就得做长远考虑，我想在北京的中欧和长江校友应该远远小于北大国际的吧？其实我很喜欢长江的说。

In that case you should ask yourself two questions:

1. What I want the most for my life? career? family? friends? fun? it seems that you don't have a lear answer

2. What is the most important thing for me right now? doing MBA now or wait to have more experience? If you only have limited working experience, you may not benefit fully from an MBA education.

With respect to locations, it does not matter. For example, if you get accepted in Harvard and Wharton, you are not going to say, I want to work in Philadelphia so I choose Wharton over Harvard. Or that I want to work in Boston and that is why I pick Harvard. It sounds very childish and immature. When you are interviewed by a company, they care about whether your skills will be fit for the position, not where you have had your education.

It is also not clear to me that BIMBA have more alumni in key corporate positions than CEIBS and CKGSB. For example, both CKGSB and CEIBS have very powerful EMBA alumni network in Beijing. Moreover, alumni influence on your placement is usually indirect.

Have a big heart and a long vision, it will serve you well.

ckman

以下是引用mickle2002在2007-6-10 17:28:00的发言：

不知道你了不了解情况，我怎么听说bi的毕业证不是北大发的呢？刚才看bimba的网站，说毕业证是由美国教育联盟和ccer的主人联名签署的。有没有拿到毕业证的同学说一说呢

目前发的是
  Fordham University的学位证，毕业证无所谓的了光华每年发几百个北大的也不一定都被企业认可，中欧几年前的证书国家教委还不承认呢，其实读MBA最主要的是企业的承认！所以长江短短几年从没有人知道到现在企业也都认可了，证书只是找第1份工作的敲们砖，2年后就没大用了不管你是哈佛的还是普通的MBA都看业绩说话，这3所学校的职业介绍中心都不错，所以不用担心证书的问题因为找工作的履历大部分通过他们传过去没人看你证书，除非是CFA和CPA的证书有用。Fordham在中国虽然没人知道，但在纽约还是有区域优势的，来访的很多Fordham的MBA和EMBA都是做金融和投行的在纽约。在老美眼中和纽约大学一类的基本差不多。贴一个现在正上的MARKETING课教授的简历参考下（我们绝大部分课都是聘的海外教授上的）：

 

Richard Colombo
    

 

Visiting Professor, Beijing
International MBA Program at Peking
    University (BiMBA)

 

Associate Professor of Marketing, Fordham
    University
    Graduate
    School
of Business
    

 

Dr. Colombo holds a Ph. D and an MBA degree
from Columbia University Graduate School of Business. He also holds a MA
Natural Science Tripos (Physics) from Cambridge
  University, England.
    

 

He has served as a Social Survey Officer,
Research Manager and Consultant to various client Government Departments, etc.,
at the Office of Population Censuses and Surveys, London, U.K.
from 1970 to 1982.  Since 1986 he has
taught at Columbia University Graduate School of Business, Yale University
School of Management, New York University Leonard Stern School of Business and
    Fordham
     University
      Graduate
      School of Business. His teaching and research focus on marketing and has
published a lot of articles on various academic journals.

This is helpful. However, one thing needs to be clarified for sure: Fordham is no NYU.

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-6-11 6:17:25编辑过]

ckman

以下是引用christyyyy在2007-6-10 14:16:00的发言：

刚看了兄弟姐妹们的回复，感到帮助很大，不过还是有一些疑问，想听听大家的看法，一个是，中欧今年招180个人，人这么多会不会增加就业的压力和减少每个人从就业服务中心获得帮助的机会，相比而言，北大的50个人似乎小而精；第二，如果在上海读了中欧，到时候想回北京比起北大来是不是困难点？可确实中欧的名气大，我看了看网页，教授似乎也比北大好和多。

还望热心人不吝赐教：）

One thing you need to check out is that BIMBA is not a school. Instead it is an MBA program run by a center, CCER. CCER was originally funded by the Ford foundation but now is on its own. Financially, how could it hire expensive long term high calibre business professors? What is the business model here? This raises questions about its long term survival. Ask the admissions office about the plan of the program in the future.

Notice that Beijing University has about 160+ research centers. Management of these centers has been ad hoc and really affected Beida's reputation these days.