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Kellogg vs Wharton. Jessicaf, thank you.

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发表于 2006-3-24 11:53:00 | 只看该作者

Kellogg vs Wharton. Jessicaf, thank you.



看了你的留言,非常犀利,而且是过来人的那种犀利,所以想听听你的意见。 毕业之后,我希望能在IBD发展。现在比较犹豫。



Apparently, Wharton is finance school, while Kellogg is a consulting school. I personally prefer Kellogg SLIGHTLY over Wharton for several reasons below.  Hi, all the CDers, please don't get me wrong, I am not comparing Kellogg with Wharton as schools, Wharton in general better than Kellogg considering all the ranking things. But the difference is too subtle for me to neglect other factors.



1. style. trying to land a finance job in a consulting school is much easier than in a finance school, because all the top financial institutions did campus recruiting in both schools, which means the same opportunities but much less competitors. I got this point from a Kellogg alumni, who I can tell is VERY down-to-earth and who got 3 top IB offers in 2002 as we all know is the worst year for IBers ever.



2. location, while I don't think Phili is not that bad in terms of job landing given almost all the students in both schools don't have to go to wall street in person, especially in the first and second round interview. Maybe in final round those banks will fly candidates over the wall street, so location doesn't seem to make any difference to me.



3 campus life, I have to say I place particular importance on it because study there is also living there. I do hope to have enjoyable life experience over the 2 years between two sell-my-soul working experiences back and forth.



4 alumni, Wharton is THE school no other one can compete. I don't know how much it's gonna mean to me. Can any post MBA here shed some lights?



5 the number of Chinese students is another huge difference between this two schools. Does that mean anything to me?






All my friends here, feel free to share your thoughts with me. But do NOT simply vote without specifying any reasons, I am not gonna appreciate that..



Thanks


[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-25 16:16:51编辑过]
沙发
发表于 2006-3-24 12:00:00 | 只看该作者
Wait for your Jessicaf JJ. She will enjoy shining here.
板凳
发表于 2006-3-24 12:45:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用Kenn在2006-3-24 11:53:00的发言:



1. style. trying to land a finance job in a consulting school is much easier than in a finance school, because all the top financial institutions did campus recruiting, which means the same opportunities but much less competitors. I got this point from a Kellogg alumni, who I can tell is VERY down-to-earth and who got 3 top IB offers in 2002 as we all know is the worst year for IBers ever.



2. location, while I don't think Phili is not that bad in terms of job landing given almost all the students in both schools don't have to go to wall street in person, especially in the first and second round interview. Maybe in final round those banks will fly candidates over the wall street, so location doesn't seem to make any difference for me.



3 campus life, I have to say I place particular importance on it because study there is also living there. I do hope to have enjoyable life experience over the 2 years between two sell-my-soul working experiences back and forth.



4 alumni, Wharton is THE school no other one can compete. I don't know how much it's gonna mean to me. Can any post MBA here shed some lights?



5 the number of Chinese students is another huge difference between this two schools. Does that mean anything to me?






All my friends here, feel free to share your thoughts with me. But do NOT simply vote without specifying any reasons, I am not gonna appreciate that..



Thanks




#1, agree with your analysis => advantage kellogg

#2, location absoluately not an issue for campus recruiting opportunities => equal

#3, never been to philly and the wharton campus, but kellog campus is gorgeous => advantage kellogg

#4, alumni base is important not only for getting an offer but also your advancement within the firm and exit options => i'm not in IB so cannot really tell but the hunch is wharton gets an edge here given its reputation

#5, a big but close-knit chinese community makes the two years at school that much more enjoyable and offers more networking opportunities years after graduation => no idea about the chinese communities in the two schools so cannot judge

地板
发表于 2006-3-24 13:40:00 | 只看该作者

All in All, if you are 100% sure that you want IBD, I don't see any reason to go to K.


1. style. trying to land a finance job in a consulting school is much easier than in a finance school, because all the top financial institutions did campus recruiting, which means the same opportunities but much less competitors. I got this point from a Kellogg alumni, who I can tell is VERY down-to-earth and who got 3 top IB offers in 2002 as we all know is the worst year for IBers ever.


If you have any professional service background, e.g. finance/accountig/auditing/consulting, you are 90% ensured for an interview for IBD as long as you are in a decent school and your resume does not have stupid mistakes. If not, please do go to W if you really wanna IBD. Reasons: 1) As far as I know, course design and interview training in K are diff from in W. Ppl in top non-finance schools without any previous finance/professional experience are not secured with interviews/offers in IB. W is able to turn you into a finance type person no matter what you did before, as least in perceptions from banks.  In K, I am not sure you can have the same handy training and exposure in financial industry. 2) W/Chi/Col students have more chances to get into IBD.  Most IBDs in top tier IBs, say gs/ms/ml/lm/ubs/cs/db/jpm/citi, will do campus recruiting in most top schools. But many boutiques only do in several selected schools. W/Chi/Col are must-gos for them. 3) If you get into a top bank, you'll still see much more ppl from W/Chi/Col there, which is apparently an advantage in networking for them. As ppl know, IB is all about relationship and networking. And you might be one of the few K guys there.



2. location, while I don't think Phili is not that bad in terms of job landing given almost all the students in both schools don't have to go to wall street in person, especially in the first and second round interview. Maybe in final round those banks will fly candidates over the wall street, so location doesn't seem to make any difference for me.


Agree.  Location seems indifferent in your reasoning above, though I think it does mean sth.



3 campus life, I have to say I place particular importance on it because study there is also living there. I do hope to have enjoyable life experience over the 2 years between two sell-my-soul working experiences back and forth.


Chicago may have more to play with while Wharton is close to many famous tour sites, too. (boston/big apple/florida...) And clearly east and west coasts are the most developed areas in the States. Really depends on your own plan.  



4 alumni, Wharton is THE school no other one can compete. I don't know how much it's gonna mean to me. Can any post MBA here shed some lights?



100% agree. HBS alum network is also great but alums seem more pushy. Once they feel you are in not their league, say not excellent/hardworking enough, they tend to leave you behind. I sort of feel that wharton alums are more willing to give you hands when you are in difficulties. Just personal feelings. How to use alum network is hard to say. It might work at the time you never expect.


5 the number of Chinese students is another huge difference between this two schools. Does that mean anything to me?


Don't think it really matters.  Job hunting largely depends on your pervious w/e and interviews. For banks in HK, I don't think banks put quota on Chinese for each school as b schools do.  They release interviews to all schools at the same time. For banks in the states, it is true that banks have quota on each school. In that case you are competing with all of your classmates, not your Chinese peers only. It sounds weird that banks tend to recruit 20 Wharton Chinese, 10 Chicago Chinese and 5 Columbia Chinese. Just don't see a reason. In term of community, as you are a Chinese, you have plenty of opportunities to join Chinese community.  Chinese in b schools are a big community. I am in Col. Welcome to join Col's Chinese community if you feel lonely in K.


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发表于 2006-3-24 16:23:00 | 只看该作者

我不喜欢长篇,压缩点。


我认识一个哥们在kellogg就找了个top tier的ibd,不过在香港,做得非常不错,他们那年wharton的没拿到full-time,他拿到。所以说哪个学校都可以进ibd,我已经说过,这个工作是比较labor-intensive的,所以只要你肯吃苦,老板还喜欢,你想secure full time offer不难。


Wharton招太多中国人,不是打击大家,我知道这里无数人想拍砖,的确是个找工作的劣势,我们就事论事,和学校好不好无关。你的考虑完全正确。


那么接下来问题就是wharton的名声对你将来有多大关系?告诉你一个现象,越是在street上是大户的学校,越不care校友,尤其是名校。所以你如果进纽约street,看来Wharton也谈不上是个多大优势。


Kellogg在Chicago, Chicago也在Chicago, 你还要和他们竞争,对不对?Chicago金融非常强的,注重实际面,听说是连基础课也没有规定,上去你就选你想干的相关课。不过我觉得这样是不是也不大象MBA啊,不如去读个fin engineering算了。


不过要是你想回国,那就wharton一把吧,他们校友在中国那个多啊,是其他学校没法比的,那绝对是大大巫见小小巫,。。。。。。


其他,我就不说了,你自己看着办吧!关键时刻听自己的!


6#
发表于 2006-3-24 17:02:00 | 只看该作者
As to the flexible curriculum in Chicago GSB, it's actually not that different from fixed one for most ppl. You still need to fulfill the requirements for specific areas, which means you will end up choosing more than half of the first year courses the same way as you peers do.
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发表于 2006-3-24 17:15:00 | 只看该作者
cool~~意见都很棒,顶
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发表于 2006-3-24 17:16:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用kkgmat在2006-3-24 17:02:00的发言:
As to the flexible curriculum in Chicago GSB, it's actually not that different from fixed one for most ppl. You still need to fulfill the requirements for specific areas, which means you will end up choosing more than half of the first year courses the same way as you peers do.

不好意思啊,前面说的是不是让chicago有点不爽,对不住。

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发表于 2006-3-24 17:22:00 | 只看该作者
哪里哪里。我也不是Chicago的。只是说些自己所了解的情况。个人觉得自由选课更多是Chicago的marketing方式,也一定程度上反映了Chicago的文化。但实质区别不大。
10#
发表于 2006-3-24 17:29:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用jessicaf在2006-3-24 17:16:00的发言:


不好意思啊,前面说的是不是让chicago有点不爽,对不住。


my friend graduated from Chicago within 14 months and then went to a Top IB

I think if you can save so much time, Chicago is definitely a top choice

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