Kellogg vs Wharton. Jessicaf, thank you.

tuzq

1. 学校的那些strength其实也就是个悖论.

如果你在Kellogg进了投行, 你会觉得自己赚了便宜, 没人和你竞争嘛; 如果你在Wharton进了投行, 你会说, I am so great to choose the right school which trains me into a financial expert.

如果你在Kellogg被投行据了, 你会说, "唉, 我怎么就选了个non-finance school呢"; 如果你在Wharton被投行据了, 你又会后悔, 周围怎么都是和我一样想去ibd,又比我有背景的呢.

2. 中国人招得多了, 你觉得和你竞争的也多了; 中国人招得少了, 你觉得alumni network小了. :-)))

但是: a.你找工作的时候, 不但是和本校的竞争, 也是和别的学校的竞争.我不信Goldman HK会有个限额, Wharton招5个, Kellogg招3个.

b. 校友网络: 将来我们需要多少个校友能真正帮到我们? 又能有多少校友能真正帮到我们? 我的point是: 能真正帮我们的, most likely是我们的非常好的朋友. 他们不会是我们在alumni database里面看到的冷冰冰的人名, 或者每年只在一起吃一次饭的人. 如果只是给我们一些肤浅的帮助, 不一定非得通过校友网吧?

3. 另外, 我们好driven呀.一谈起选校, 大家就都想起了"钱" "career""ranking", 为啥不好好想想"环境" "campus" "weather" "people" "空气". 人生有很多东西都很重要, 至少equal to money and career.两年时间还是挺长的, 让自己过得舒服些吧.

我这里并不是去bullshit一些common sense, 而是想提醒大家从各个角度来看待这些问题.

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rakesun

以下是引用tuzq在2006-3-25 9:57:00的发言：

1. 学校的那些strength其实也就是个悖论.

如果你在Kellogg进了投行, 你会觉得自己赚了便宜, 没人和你竞争嘛; 如果你在Wharton进了投行, 你会说, I am so great to choose the right school which trains me into a financial expert.

如果你在Kellogg被投行据了, 你会说, "唉, 我怎么就选了个non-finance school呢"; 如果你在Wharton被投行据了, 你又会后悔, 周围怎么都是和我一样想去ibd,又比我有背景的呢.

2. 中国人招得多了, 你觉得和你竞争的也多了; 中国人招得少了, 你觉得alumni network小了. :-)))

但是: a.你找工作的时候, 不但是和本校的竞争, 也是和别的学校的竞争.我不信Goldman HK会有个限额, Wharton招5个, Kellogg招3个.

b. 校友网络: 将来我们需要多少个校友能真正帮到我们? 又能有多少校友能真正帮到我们? 我的point是: 能真正帮我们的, most likely是我们的非常好的朋友. 他们不会是我们在alumni database里面看到的冷冰冰的人名, 或者每年只在一起吃一次饭的人. 如果只是给我们一些肤浅的帮助, 不一定非得通过校友网吧?

3. 另外, 我们好driven呀.一谈起选校, 大家就都想起了"钱" "career""ranking", 为啥不好好想想"环境" "campus" "weather" "people" "空气". 人生有很多东西都很重要, 至少equal to money and career.两年时间还是挺长的, 让自己过得舒服些吧.

我这里并不是去bullshit一些common sense, 而是想提醒大家从各个角度来看待这些问题.

Swinerton

以下是引用tuzq在2006-3-25 9:57:00的发言：

1. 学校的那些strength其实也就是个悖论.

如果你在Kellogg进了投行, 你会觉得自己赚了便宜, 没人和你竞争嘛; 如果你在Wharton进了投行, 你会说, I am so great to choose the right school which trains me into a financial expert.

如果你在Kellogg被投行据了, 你会说, "唉, 我怎么就选了个non-finance school呢"; 如果你在Wharton被投行据了, 你又会后悔, 周围怎么都是和我一样想去ibd,又比我有背景的呢.

2. 中国人招得多了, 你觉得和你竞争的也多了; 中国人招得少了, 你觉得alumni network小了. :-)))

但是: a.你找工作的时候, 不但是和本校的竞争, 也是和别的学校的竞争.我不信Goldman HK会有个限额, Wharton招5个, Kellogg招3个.

b. 校友网络: 将来我们需要多少个校友能真正帮到我们? 又能有多少校友能真正帮到我们? 我的point是: 能真正帮我们的, most likely是我们的非常好的朋友. 他们不会是我们在alumni database里面看到的冷冰冰的人名, 或者每年只在一起吃一次饭的人. 如果只是给我们一些肤浅的帮助, 不一定非得通过校友网吧?

3. 另外, 我们好driven呀.一谈起选校, 大家就都想起了"钱" "career""ranking", 为啥不好好想想"环境" "campus" "weather" "people" "空气". 人生有很多东西都很重要, 至少equal to money and career.两年时间还是挺长的, 让自己过得舒服些吧.

我这里并不是去bullshit一些common sense, 而是想提醒大家从各个角度来看待这些问题.

Exactly!

wwwzzz

以下是引用kkgmat在2006-3-24 17:32:00的发言：
Interesting. I didn't know that in Chicago you can graduate earlier. Even you can, it should be an execeptional case.

Sure you can, if you choose to work much harder than others. A typical GSBer takes 20 courses over 6 quarters. Some supermen/women do take 5 courses per quarter which allows them to graduate after just 4 quarters (14 months). Of course such "extremists" are a rare species, but many of my classmates do choose to graduate a quarter earlier -- to enjoy life or travel around.

Sachem

3. 另外, 我们好driven呀.一谈起选校, 大家就都想起了"钱" "career""ranking", 为啥不好好想想"环境"
"campus" "weather" "people" "空气". 人生有很多东西都很重要, 至少equal to money and
career.两年时间还是挺长的, 让自己过得舒服些吧.

Good point!

stammy

以下是引用cicilla在2006-3-24 17:50:00的发言：

看楼上两位的对话，欧还以为错进了“梦网情愿“板块呢，正纳闷呢，熟门熟路的今天怎么走迷路了！

太露骨了吧！

这也就是大家讨论的同时几句玩笑话，C-ban 不必太计较啊。 nobody is gonna take it seriously, and I sort of like this humor style.

Kenn

以下是引用jessicaf在2006-3-24 17:42:00的发言：
还不晚，从哪个方面来说，都绝对不晚。

Good one!

Kenn

以下是引用suncola在2006-3-25 8:44:00的发言：

yeah, when speaking of big name IBs, school location makes no diff. well when talking about some middle or small sized financial institutions, NYC rocks, right?

Few Col Chinese girls are available. Hope it is not bad news for you.

Col attracts middle and small sized firms not because it is in NYC but of its reputation in finance. In job hunting of those firms, W/Chi can give you the same position that Col has, though they are not in NYC.

NYC advantage is to help you crack the interview. As all ppl in B schools know, IB interview is more about chemistry building: you need to make your interviewer love you, sort of like flirting around in bars. No one doubts your capabilities if you pass resume screening: great w/e shows your past experience and skills; a great school shows your ambition. What a resume can't tell is what you want to show in interview: your commitment to this career and this company, and that you can fit into the company's style. Then how? As you don't have any IB experience, networking is extremely important to let you sense how those ppl live/work in IB environment, no matter you are in K or W. NYC can give you a hand in this respect.

Thank you so much.  it really makes sense.

Kenn

以下是引用tuzq在2006-3-25 9:57:00的发言：

1. 学校的那些strength其实也就是个悖论.

如果你在Kellogg进了投行, 你会觉得自己赚了便宜, 没人和你竞争嘛; 如果你在Wharton进了投行, 你会说, I am so great to choose the right school which trains me into a financial expert.

K, 我会说, I am lucky.  

W, 我会说，I am so cool to beat my classmates intead of attributing to how the school trained me because I never expect I will be a different guy within 20 months except 20 months older.

如果你在Kellogg被投行据了, 你会说, "唉, 我怎么就选了个non-finance school呢"; 如果你在Wharton被投行据了, 你又会后悔, 周围怎么都是和我一样想去ibd,又比我有背景的呢.

K, 我会说，well, I not qualifed enough. even not that competitive i didn't get in. I am gonna do something else.

w, 我会说，what an odd.

2. 中国人招得多了, 你觉得和你竞争的也多了; 中国人招得少了, 你觉得alumni network小了. :-)))

但是: a.你找工作的时候, 不但是和本校的竞争, 也是和别的学校的竞争.我不信Goldman HK会有个限额, Wharton招5个, Kellogg招3个.

you believe or you knew? Suncola said in previous post that banks in the states do have quota for each school. anybody else knows something about that?

b. 校友网络: 将来我们需要多少个校友能真正帮到我们? 又能有多少校友能真正帮到我们? 我的point是: 能真正帮我们的, most likely是我们的非常好的朋友. 他们不会是我们在alumni database里面看到的冷冰冰的人名, 或者每年只在一起吃一次饭的人. 如果只是给我们一些肤浅的帮助, 不一定非得通过校友网吧?

agree

3. 另外, 我们好driven呀.一谈起选校, 大家就都想起了"钱" "career""ranking", 为啥不好好想想"环境" "campus" "weather" "people" "空气". 人生有很多东西都很重要, 至少equal to money and career.两年时间还是挺长的, 让自己过得舒服些吧.

agree, that's why you are packing for S, aren't you.  

我这里并不是去bullshit一些common sense, 而是想提醒大家从各个角度来看待这些问题.

Thanks, Man

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jessicaf

我看Kenn还是来我们学校吧，怎么看着和我们学校的人这么合拍呢？

加一句，quota绝对是有的，而且至少香港招summer internship，几个银行的HR都是开会的。我去香港面试时候，一个HR亲口告诉我。

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