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51#
发表于 2008-3-5 08:58:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用dealsheaven在2006-10-11 12:56:00的发言:

我来说点东西.

B,E都错的原因是用LIKE,而没有正确的比较.

应该是NUCLEAR FUSION 和NUCLEAR FISSION比较,就是核聚变和核裂变

不能LIKE NUCLEAR REACTOR.

D的话,如果是AS HAPPENED IN NUCLEAR REACTORS应该也是对的.

A,C,E的AS XXX都是修饰SPLITTING THEM APART的.

不过AS是介词短语还是连词,我不是非常清楚.

同意你的观点,觉得这个解释是暂时来说最清楚的了

另外,关于COMMA 的问题。MERGE不可能是第二个动词是因为它前面有个逗号,因为在gmat中,用AND连接两个动词似乎是不允许在AND前面再加逗号的

个人的一点看法,还请高人指点

52#
发表于 2008-5-11 10:37:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用yhysss在2007-6-24 0:39:00的发言:
do 是跟前面的POWERS平行的,powers 可以做及物动词:给。。。能量

同意这个看法。。

53#
发表于 2008-5-31 08:54:00 | 只看该作者

在细细品位一番后,有了点理解,请大家看看.

og11解释----The comma following bombs is paired with the comma following apart, and this comma pair sets off the participial phrase introduced by merging.

og--为什么是一对逗号呢? the force that powers the sun, the stars, and hydrogen bombs----限定从句解释the force.----是从句身份.

merging the nuclei of atoms rather than splitting them apart.---现在分词做伴随壮语也是从句身份---进一步解释前面从句---是并列从句关系(不知道说清楚没有)

核聚变是融合太阳,星星,以及氢弹的一种能量,(即)它也是融合atom的能量而不是split他们能量.他们是一对逗号,明确表明:他们是并列的关系(而且是并列的从句关系)---

所以D,E错误,1他们把具有从句身份的句子,变成主句.2,并列关系也描述错误:that [powers the sun,...and bombs] 与[merging ...rather than splitting...]---并列从句关系,(解释,和进一步解释关系).但是D,E的并列关系:powers. merges and split,三者的并行.

如:核聚变是一种融合太阳,星星,以及氢弹的并且融合atom能量而不是split能量的一种能量,

另外D,E还有一种错误,容易引起岐义

Nuclear fusion is the force that powers the Sun, the stars, and hydrogen bombs, and merges the nuclei of atoms but does not split them apart, as is done in nuclear reactors

Nuclear fusion is the force that powers the Sun, the stars, and hydrogen bombs, and merges the nuclei of atoms but does not split them apart, as is done in nuclear reactors

这是og最忌讳的.D.E错误.

54#
发表于 2008-7-6 17:09:00 | 只看该作者

我的观点:

比较句型为:A 谓语 C,like/unlike B。其中A和B是可比较的,所以在E中是Nuclear fusion和atomic reactors 的比较,Nuclear fsuion is the force unlike atomic reactors。但是本来想表达的意思却是Nuclear fusion 和atomic reactor在merge和split方面的不同~~~

不知对不对

55#
发表于 2008-8-13 16:53:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用dealsheaven在2006-10-11 12:56:00的发言:

我来说点东西.

B,E都错的原因是用LIKE,而没有正确的比较.

应该是NUCLEAR FUSION 和NUCLEAR FISSION比较,就是核聚变和核裂变

不能LIKE NUCLEAR REACTOR.

D的话,如果是AS HAPPENED IN NUCLEAR REACTORS应该也是对的.

A,C,E的AS XXX都是修饰SPLITTING THEM APART的.

不过AS是介词短语还是连词,我不是非常清楚.


这个解释总算让我搞明白了,哈哈

56#
发表于 2008-10-5 13:39:00 | 只看该作者
i think in answer D:
punctuation makes clear this separate action cannot be the case means ==>

Nuclear fusion is the force that powers the Sun, ...., and merges ... , but does does not split them apart.....

need additional comma in D before but.

It's ok to share the same logic subject without introudcuing another one afer ,and merges ....

open to discuss
57#
发表于 2008-10-24 17:47:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用xie999999999在2007-5-13 22:55:00的发言:

这题我也选错了,看了大家的解释和OG的解释我明白是怎么回事了

the key D:

Nuclear fusion is the force that powers the sun....,
   merging the ...(part1)
rather than splitting them apart (part2), as nuclear reactor do (part3).

part1和part2比较,part2和part3比较。看part2和part3的比较(注意as就近比较),这个不是do指代不指代的问题,是do这个动作和splitting这个动作比较的问题,这两个动作的比较是成立的。

选项E的不好就在于用了unlike,语法上没问题了,但逻辑上unlike引出的atomic reactor和整个大主语NF在比了,而看看unlike分句引导的内容,显然和NF不在一个比较基础上。

一孔之见,望指教。

同意。句子的主体部分是:Nuclear fusion is the force that powers the Sun, the stars, and hydrogen bombs。

第一级附加成分是:merging the nuclei of atoms rather than splitting them apart,充当前面整句话的伴随方式状语,修饰主句主语nuclear fusion

第二级附加成分是:as nuclear reactors do,进一步解释splitting 这个动作同样发生在nuclear reactors里面。注意,这里强调的是动作的相似性,估计这种情况下不用考虑比较对象的主语是不是对等的问题。因为仔细琢磨的话,fusion与reactors确实不对等,单复数也不相同,用unlike必错。

58#
发表于 2009-1-1 17:31:00 | 只看该作者

看了各位大牛牛的讨论,我来总结一下。我的观点和上述所有人不一样,但是有继承关系。

论述比较长。大家耐心看。

Part 1

104.      Nuclear fusion is the force that powers the Sun, the stars, and hydrogen bombs, merging the nuclei of atoms and not splitting them apart, as in nuclear reactors.


    

(A) merging the nuclei of atoms and not splitting them apart, as in nuclear reactors

(B) merging the nuclei of atoms instead of splitting them apart, like nuclear reactors


    

(C) merging the nuclei of atoms rather than splitting them apart, as nuclear reactors do


    

(D) and merges the nuclei of atoms but does not split them apart, as is done in unclear reactors


    

(E) and merges the nuclei of atoms, unlike atomic reactors that split them apart

首先,澄清关于歧义的问题。前面的诸位NN认为选项B和E中like/unlike结构紧跟在the nuclei of atoms后面,会让人产生the nuclei of atoms与reactor比较的歧义。我认我这种歧义是不存在的,因为从句子的意义角度讲,这两者是不可能相比较的。不能仅根据-like和unlike的比较结构就近修饰-原则来说他会引起两者比较的含义。(尽管like/unlike结构几乎在OG所有的题目中都是就近修饰的)必须结合状语结构比较对象意义类型上是否一致来说明是否引起歧义。

举例:OG 11th 134
Recently
implemented “shift-work equations” based on studies of the human sleep
cycle have reduced sickness, sleeping on the job, fatigue among shift workers, and have raised production efficiency in various industries.

    

(A) fatigue among shift workers, and have raised


    

(B) fatigue among shift workers, and raised


    

(C) and fatigue among shift workers while raising


    

(D) lowered fatigue among shift workers, and raisedC


    (E) and fatigue among shift workers was lowered while raising

正确答案C中的while raising结构前面有workers。只按照while结构就近修饰的原则来判断,那么C是不能选的,因为它会引起读者认为是workers在rising production effiency的歧义.那么为什么在这个时候ets就把C选择为正确的呢。因为ETS认为根据句义判断,读者可以排除它是用来修饰workers的可能性,将while raising effiency 的主语自动归为shift-work equations,与前面reduce构成对比结构。

结论, while结构也好,unlike结构也好,不能只根据它们的就近修饰的原则来判断,就说它会引起修饰上的歧义,必须再根据修饰对象意义来判断。只有在既结合了语法就近修饰原则以及比较对象的意义以后,才能判断是否有歧义。当两个原则都用了以后,依然无法分清比较对象后,才能说是歧义结构。

真正有歧义的句子,举例:(~_~也是一道争议无数的题目)

OG 11 103

The development of a new
jumbo rocket that is expected to carry the United States into its next
phase of space exploration will be able to deliver a heavier load of
instruments into orbit than the space shuttle and at a lower cost.


    

(A) The development of a new jumbo
rocket that is expected to carry the United States into its next phase
of space exploration will be able to deliver a heavier load of
instruments into orbit than the space shuttle and at a lower cost.


    

(B) The development of a new jumbo
rocket is expected to carry the United States into its next phase of
space exploration and be able to deliver a heavier load of instruments
into orbit at a lower cost than the space shuttle.


    

(C) The new development of a jumbo
rocket, which is expected to carry the United States into its next
phase of space exploration, will be able to deliver a heavier load of
instruments into orbit at a lower cost than the space shuttle.


    

(D) A newly developed jumbo rocket,
which is expected to carry the United States into its next phase of
space exploration, will be able to deliver a heavier load of
instruments into orbit than the space shuttle can, and at a lower cost.


    

(E) A newly developed jumbo rocket,
which is expected to carry the United States into its next phase of
space exploration, will be able to deliver a heavier load of
instruments into orbit than the space shuttle and to cost less.

E选项当space shuttle后不补出can的时候,即使结合句义依然无法分清 A. rocket  B. orbit C. space shuttle谁和谁比较。这种情况才是正真的歧义。

OK,以上论述都是为了得出这个结论,利用ETS的逻辑不能说明OG 11th 104中的like和unlike结构中的比较是有歧义的。So,利用有歧义原则排除B和E是站不住脚的。

在上述结论成立的情况下,我继续下面的论述。

Part 2

问题 Like reactor结构和unlike reactor结构到底修饰谁?

先来看B, 根据原句的意思like reactor用来修饰nuclear fusion违背句义的,因为两者原理不同,一个裂变,一个聚变。那么like reactor只能用来修饰动作splitting them apart, 但是我们知道like 结构强调名词之间的比较。在这里把动作和名字比较显然很奇怪,所以这样的比较按照OG 11th的说法(like) here the basis of comparison is unclear, and the usage is incorrect. (注意,这里的unclear和incorrect是指动作splitting和名词reactor, 而不是指nuclear fusion和reactor的比较,因为我在第一部分的论述,和上面关于这句话的解释已经说明按照ets的意义判断法,用了like以后就不会把这两者比较,而且也得不出nuclear fusion和reactor比较是unclear和inccorect-大N语ETS告诉你什么就是什么,不要做任何推断。)

再来看E, 根据我在答案B中讲到的原则,unlike reactor结构同样也不能和splitting这个动作比较。此外,结合句义他也是明确的指向Nuclear Fusion。
好了,问题来了。Nuclear Fusion究竟可不可以和Reactor比较?03一代大牛Sbbi和Gemj等人认为可以,并以此选择E作为本题答案。但是很多人认为不行,Nuclear Fusion和Reactor不同类不能比较。所以排除E。我的观点是不能不能排除Nuclear Fusion可以和Reactor相互比较的可能性。大家请再看OG 11th 的对于这个比较的解释,the comparison is awkwardly drawn. 这里没有提到unclear和incorrect,只说awkward, 那么它awkward在哪里呢?是指nuclear fusion和reactor的比较吗?

我们不能判断。我想到一种解释这里比较合理。在E中用了一个gmat中非常不常见的后置unlike结构的用法,把它比较的对象nuclear fusion和reactor分割的很远,尽管1.根据句义判断,reactor不会用来修饰nuclei of atoms 2.根据句义+like比较名词的用法,两者结合判断,like reactor也不会去修饰merging和splitting,只能用来修饰Nuclear Fusion,但是它们太遥远了。一般的like/unlike也好,都是紧贴主语,宾语修饰的。这里的awkward就是指like 结构和主语的距离太远。(关于是不是说Nuclear和Reactor之间不同类比较是awkward,我还是那句话,不能判断,不能作为依据否定答案E的根本。)

总结一下,到此为止,我否定了以前的NN们的以下两个逻辑:

1. Like结构在修饰上有歧义,所以要排除。我的观点:根据句义判断,没有歧义。有问题的是Like结构用来修饰动词,所以要排除。

2.Unlike结构在修饰上有歧义,所以排除。
Unlike结构比较Nuclear Fusion和Reactor所以排除。我的观点:   根据句义判断,没有歧义。Unlike结构能否比较Nuclear Fusion和Reactor不得而知,不能作为排除E的理由。

提出了我的新观点(~—~结合NN们旧观点的新观点)

排除E的原因是Unlike结构和修饰语距离太长,太AWKWARD了。

Part 3

我们来看OG 11th 104正确答案C

Nuclear fusion is the force that powers the Sun, the stars, and hydrogen bombs, merging the nuclei of atoms rather than splitting them apart, as  nuclear reactors do.

根据前面Patr1和Part2的论述,结合句子意思,as nuclear reactor do有可能用来修饰Nuclear Fusion或者是splitting这个动作。又根据as sth/sb do强调动作的特点,它一定是用来修饰
splitting them apart的。(注意,as sth do结构不向like/unlike结构那样比较主语或宾语,不存在与主语距离过远的问题。)

所以C是完美答案。


Over,谢谢大家阅读。欢迎讨论。






59#
发表于 2009-4-5 21:10:00 | 只看该作者

呼……这帖子也真够长的……尤其是最后alohabrian的细心解释,我眼睛贴着电脑屏幕看了n久~~

其实我最开始就没有想过楼上那些问题,所以也没有什么特别的看法……老实说我都没懂为什么前人会那样理解~~

这道题我关注的问题,前面几页也有人提到过,就是关于D选项的解释里面的那几句话,

以下是引用zjlssw在2006-6-28 10:44:00的发言:

我觉得这题目前存在的问题关键是OG对标点的解读该如何理解:

The comma following bombs is paired with the comma following apart, and this comma pair sets off the participial phrase introduced by merging.

D. Illogical and awkward construction attempts to make
  
merges the second verb of the restrictive clause parallel to powers and does not split, punctuation makes clear this separate action cannot be the case; as is done is awkward and wordy

这两句话是遵循什么样的语法规律的呢?请知道的朋友指教,谢谢

我也认为问题的关键在于这两句话。

而我的理解跟前几页里面两个前辈一样~~

以下是引用蓝夕叶子在2008-2-19 14:15:00的发言:

童鞋们,如果选了E,那么AND之前存在逗号,AND后面就应该跟一个完整的,需要主语的句子。。。

而且UNLIKE后面,你们不觉得比较不对等么。。

以下是引用sarybaby在2008-3-5 8:58:00的发言:

关于COMMA 的问题。MERGE不可能是第二个动词是因为它前面有个逗号,因为在gmat中,用AND连接两个动词似乎是不允许在AND前面再加逗号的

个人的一点看法,还请高人指点

总结她们两个的观点就是,在gmat中,用AND连接两个动词是不允许在AND前面再加逗号的而AND前面如果有逗号那么AND后面就应该跟一个完整的,需要主语的句子

“and 连接动词and前面没逗号”的例子到处都是,随便抓一个今天看到的~~

OG11th-135 (直接把正确答案放回原句)

Spanning more than fifty years, Friedrich Miiller's career began in an unpromising apprenticeship as a Sanskrit scholar and
                culminated in virtually every honor that European governments and learned soci­eties could bestow.

OG11th-113

The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions and then took turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.

个人看法……希望大家能找例子反驳哈,我找到了也会贴出来的~~

60#
发表于 2009-4-5 21:20:00 | 只看该作者
上面的这个帖子是我在 刚开始学gmat时候发的,很多观点都不成熟,我想删掉了。MM想听我重新解释吗?
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