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adios · 发表于 2005-4-6 11:33:00

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>and this is the typical "Christian" thinking from thomas2007: <

>"Since if you don't believe in God, there is no God in you and hence you are not blessed." <

>as a natural step, i think you will start cursing me go to hell, <IMG src="http://forum.chasedream.com/Skins/Default/emot/em01.gif"> <

>Fear of a vindictive and wrathful God, is one of the basic tenets of Judeo-Christian heritage. <

>enough said. <div align="right">[此贴子已经被作者于2005-4-6 11:38:52编辑过]</div>

thomas2007 · 发表于 2005-4-6 12:15:00

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=647 border=0><TR><TD vAlign=top width=468><DL><DT>CHINA BLOWS UP HUNDREDS OF ILLEGAL'CHURCHES' <DT><CENTER>By David Rennie in Beijing</CENTER></DT></DL><

>Telegraph, UK, Wednesday 13 December 2000 -CHINESE authorities in the city of Wenzhou have torn down or blown up more than 200 illegal churches and temples. A further 239 small places of worship in the east coast city, many of them linked to the underground Roman Catholic church, have been forced to close.<

>China's millions of underground Christians, especially those who have defied Beijing to remain loyal to the Pope, face a bleak Christmas, as a long-running campaign against illegal worship of all varieties coincides with a crisis in China's relations with the wider Christian world.<

>Joseph Kung, head of the American-based Cardinal Kung Foundation, which monitors the underground Catholic church in China, said: "In the past week, I have received several reports from China that bishops and priests have been detained by police, and I am now trying to authenticate them. Probably this is the beginning of the crackdown for the Christmas season. All these important feast days, like Christmas and Easter, they always crack down."<

>The underground churches demolished were not established church buildings, Mr Kung said, but were often private homes where Christians unwilling to worship in "official" churches gathered for prayers and secret services. He said: "Sometimes they build a house specially for religious services, but from the outside it looks like a small factory."<

>This autumn, China <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003982853624846&rtmo=3S3qYuwM&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/00/10/2/wpop02.html" target="_blank" >reacted with fury to the Pope's decision to canonise 120 Catholic martyrs on Oct 1, China's National Day</A>. Most of the martyrs were killed in 1900 by the Boxers, fanatical xenophobes whom Beijing calls patriotic heroes. China called the new saints a collection of notorious criminals and rapists.<

>Christianity, especially Catholicism, has traditionally been regarded as a foreign, "imperialist" import, in a note of fierce nationalism underlying the atheist communist dislike of all religion. Frank Lu, director of the Hong Kong-based Information Centre for Human Rights and Democratic Movement in China, said last night that the latest campaign against religion in Wenzhou, in the eastern province of Zhejiang, had begun in August, and intensified in recent weeks.<

>Mr. Lu said: "Wenzhou is an important centre of Chinese Catholicism." Wenzhou, a chaotic boom town of shoe factories, sweatshops and dealers in pirate goods, has a long history of Christianity because of its trading links with the outside world. Last year, Wenzhou police arrested three leading members of the underground Roman Catholic Church. Those detained included an 81-year-old bishop, Lin Xili.<

>The places of worship closed and demolished in Wenzhou were reported to include Buddhist and Taoist temples as well as Catholic and Protestant churches. Officials admitted blowing up Catholic establishments in neighbouring Fujian province last summer. The 449 centres that were targets of the latest campaign had all failed to register with the State Administration for Religious Affairs, officials said.<

>Religious worship, though protected by the constitution, must be "patriotic", and can only take place in establishments under the control of the atheist Communist Party. A spokesman for the Wenzhou foreign affairs office said: "To maintain social stability, the local government demolished underground churches and temples and other illegal places. They were operating under the cloak of religion. They hoodwinked people, interfered in normal religious activities," a spokesman for the Wenzhou foreign affairs office said.<

>There are 12 million registered Christians in China. Missionary organisations put the true total at nearly five times that.q<HR align=left><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003982853624846&rtmo=3S3qYuwM&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/00/10/2/wpop02.html" target="_blank" >2 October 2000: Pope angers China with canonisations</A> <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003982853624846&rtmo=3S3qYuwM&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/00/3/17/wchin117.html" target="_blank" >17 March 2000: Chinese Catholics fear split</A> <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003982853624846&rtmo=3S3qYuwM&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/00/2/15/wchi15.html" target="_blank" >15 February 2000: China seizes Catholic archbishop</A> <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003982853624846&rtmo=3S3qYuwM&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/00/1/3/wbul03.html#go3" target="_blank" >3 January 2000: Chinese swoop on Christians</A> <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003982853624846&rtmo=3S3qYuwM&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/99/11/21/wchi21.html" target="_blank" >21 November 1999: China plots purge on underground Catholics</A> <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003982853624846&rtmo=3S3qYuwM&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/99/6/22/wchi22.html" target="_blank" >22 June 1999: China fears superstition and religion will crush Marxism</A> <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003982853624846&rtmo=3S3qYuwM&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/99/3/23/wvat23.html" target="_blank" >23 March 1999: Vatican improves links to Beijing</A> </TD></TR></TABLE><CENTER><a href="http://www.cephasministry.com/index_nwo.html" target="_blank" >BACK</A>                                                                                                                  </CENTER><CENTER> </CENTER><CENTER>-Here to cite some news from an independent source, if someone doubts its validity only because it is written by a Christian press. As you can see, there are sufficiency coverage on the topic of so-called Chinese freedom of belief! Someone urges me again and again to think, but the problem is someone dare not to think openly, otherwise, he is not considered to be patriotic or loyal to his country. </CENTER><CENTER> </CENTER>

eutopia · 发表于 2005-4-6 12:17:00

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>Couldn't agree with you more, adios! I can't get enough of what you said! hehe...<

>To those angry generation, remember that colonization is a very successful experience for the "Western developed civilization" ! As civilization develops, the colonization is undertaking new forms. They used to use gun and canon, nowadays they use their democracy, their hegemony policy, their human rights standards, their religion and economic erosion. <

>Now the latest breaking news flash-- Some chinese lost faith on their motherland after John Pope's death! <img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em07.gif" />

thomas2007 · 发表于 2005-4-6 13:04:00

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用eutopia在2005-4-6 12:17:00的发言： <

>Couldn't agree with you more, adios! I can't get enough of what you said! hehe... <

>To those angry generation, remember that colonization is a very successful experience for the "Western developed civilization" ! As civilization develops, the colonization is undertaking new forms. They used to use gun and canon, nowadays they use their democracy, their hegemony policy, their human rights standards, their religion and economic erosion. <

>Now the latest breaking news flash-- Some chinese lost faith on their motherland after John Pope's death! <img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em07.gif" /></DIV> <

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>Allow me to say: You are an another pathetic fellow brainwashed by CPP and unwilling to know the truth. Your hollow statement is a reciprical of those once familiar emotional appeal cited from our accustomed daily editorials by the government controlled newspaper-"

eople's Daily". One more misconception from your statement-motherland is different from government. I love this country, but not necessarily the government. <

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thomas2007 · 发表于 2005-4-6 13:14:00

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用adios在2005-4-6 11:33:00的发言： <

>and this is the typical "Christian" thinking from thomas2007: <

>"Since if you don't believe in God, there is no God in you and hence you are not blessed." <

>as a natural step, i think you will start cursing me go to hell, <IMG src="http://forum.chasedream.com/Skins/Default/emot/em01.gif"> <

>Fear of a vindictive and wrathful God, is one of the basic tenets of Judeo-Christian heritage. <

>enough said. </DIV> <

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>Here I must point out your logic problems in this reasoning. The fact that I said: "Since if you don't believe in God, there is no God in you and hence you are not blessed." doesn't necessarily reach your conclusion that I am cursing you to hell. Did I say or imply that to you in any other sentense? Then comes the rediculous conclusion that God is vindictive and wrathful, did you read the Bible or any other Christian documents from which you can deduce that conclusion? Probably not. It's your personal premises that bridge your ill-supported conclusion. <

>Don't know how did you pass the GMAT/GRE using the above fallacious reasoning. By the way, which school did you graduate from? I am going to cast serious doubts on the quality of that school since it admitted you, plagued with poor logic and foul language.

zouweiyao · 发表于 2005-4-6 13:42:00

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><div class="maxcode-quote">so was he a spy or not?</div><

>who tell you that he is a spy?  He collected information for Taiwan and USA then? He killed senior officials then? <

>He is just stick to his responsibility and refused to withdraw out of mainland. You mean those loyal to Pope in Mainland are all spys? If so, millions in China today are spys. I beg you read more books and then you will become more logic. This tragic story about Bishop Wen is included in many books about the relationship between PRC and Vantico. Please go to library. <

><div class="maxcode-quote">what the heck is happening in England? oh no. what the heck with England since 1531?! England didn't get ANY ONE bishop addigned from Rome since 1531. where is your consciousnese? should you help England first? oh geee, poor brits, they must be so brain-washed. </div><

>You seem the brain-washed guy by government. <

>England is still a Christ country today and the king is the leader of their own Church. It does not do any harm to believe God in the cause of prompting democracy, Instead there are many God-believers make big devotion to fighting for freedom and democracy. <

>Do you know Bishop Tutu in South Africa, who helps end the racism government and won the Nobel? Do you know Teresa in India, who helps many poors and also get world fame? They are loyal catholists of 20 century.  If you do not know these men, go to library again. <

>You like to give examples 500 years ago. A little ridiculous. Church exists over 2000 years and it develops . How do you think what Church did 500 years  ago is equal to what they do today? Could not you  say to Chinese that US is still a slavery country because there were slaves in US before 1860s? That is so funny.

adios · 发表于 2005-4-6 14:02:00

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用thomas2007在2005-4-6 13:04:00的发言： <

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>Allow me to say: You are an another pathetic fellow brainwashed by CPP and unwilling to know the truth. Your hollow statement is a reciprical of those once familiar emotional appeal cited from our accustomed daily editorials by the government controlled newspaper-"

eople's Daily". One more misconception from your statement-motherland is different from government. I love this country, but not necessarily the government. <

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>oops. seems someone is getting little bit feisty here. <

>"pathetic", "brain-washed", all coming together. <

>yeah sure, you are the smart, as i said long ago. <

>but don't call yourself a patriot. 'coz it is funny to hear from someone who just said few minutes ag "So I decided to immigrate and leave this country FOR EVER". <

>it is indeed a genius that i called you a pharisee.

adios · 发表于 2005-4-6 14:08:00

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用thomas2007在2005-4-6 13:14:00的发言： <

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>Here I must point out your logic problems in this reasoning. The fact that I said: "Since if you don't believe in God, there is no God in you and hence you are not blessed." doesn't necessarily reach your conclusion that I am cursing you to hell. Did I say or imply that to you in any other sentense? Then comes the rediculous conclusion that God is vindictive and wrathful, did you read the Bible or any other Christian documents from which you can deduce that conclusion? Probably not. It's your personal premises that bridge your ill-supported conclusion. <

>did i say that you were cursing? funny. <

>and as i said, i have no interest discussing any bible related topics with you. don't tell people "go read bible", "have you read bible". sounds almost like you were the only one who can read. <

>oh yes maybe you can read. but can you think? can you think independently? <

>Don't know how did you pass the GMAT/GRE using the above fallacious reasoning. By the way, which school did you graduate from? I am going to cast serious doubts on the quality of that school since it admitted you, plagued with poor logic and foul language. <

>how did i pass my GRE/GMAT, and which school did i graduate from, both get nothing to do with you. and again i call you a hypocrite. <

>on the one hand saying "i never lable people", and here you are taling about "which school did you graduate from? I am going to cast serious doubts on the quality of that school since it admitted you". and yes, you call yourself a believer in God. i feel sorry for the God.</DIV>

zouweiyao · 发表于 2005-4-6 14:25:00

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>   post another article about the funeral of Pope here. Even some dicators as the president of Syria, an Islamic beliver,  will attend the funeral of Pope. Hero for freedom and peace is always a hero. <

>教宗若望保禄二世的葬礼将于八日举行，预期将会有更多朝圣信徒和国家元首等贵宾涌入罗马，为迎接空前人潮，上紧发条的罗马当局早已树立起层层防护网，包括罗马上空划为禁飞区以及部署防空飞弹等。波兰外交部表示，预料约有二百万波兰人将赶往罗马参加这位波兰出生教宗的葬礼。 各种人潮管制措施早已在现场落实执行，市政府备妥帐篷和营地，供无法觅得投宿处所的成千上万信徒暂时栖身。<

>数以千计增援警力陆续自意大利全国各地驰抵罗马，有关当局对场面会如何演变，根本拿捏不准。大部分人预期将会有二百万信徒涌入，但也有人认为总人数可能高达四百万。<

> 各种人潮管制措施早已在现场落实执行，市政府备妥帐篷和营地，供无法觅得投宿处所的成千上万信徒暂时栖身(Getty Images) <

>波兰外交部发言人表示，估计约有二百万波兰人将会赶往罗马，这是波兰政府针对旅行业者进行非正式调查所得的数据。<

>波兰各地教区正忙着包租巴士，运送信徒至罗马参加周五的教宗葬礼。此外，当局也正在安排加开波兰往意大利的火车和飞机班次。<

>负责统筹协调教宗葬礼期间罗马维安的柏托拉索表示，“我们未掌握到任何确切人数估计，我们必须不断随机应变。”<

>朝圣信徒如潮水般涌来，其中不乏携睡袋赶来者，向这位历来出访最频繁教宗致敬。若望保禄二世在教宗任上曾走访过全球一百二十九个国家和地区，宣扬和平及团结理念。<

>预定出席教宗葬礼的世界领袖包括美国总统布希和叙利亚总统阿塞德等，此番势必会成为梵蒂冈有史以来最星光闪耀的葬礼。<

>一九七八年举行的教宗若望保禄一世葬礼，当时仅一百零五位贵宾出席，美国代表团由卡特总统的夫人率领，卡特本人未亲自出席。为保护名流显贵，当局将在葬礼期间关闭罗马领空。意大利空军表示，将部署防空飞弹和动用北约侦察机。意大利曾于二○○一年主办八大工业国高峰会期间采取类似保安措施。但以往的经验，恐不足以应付空前庞大人潮。空中旅行开销越来越低廉，势必会吸引更多最后一刻动身的朝圣信徒。奥地利航空公司今天推出飞罗马特别廉价机票，教宗的祖国波兰境内信徒也忙着安排包机事宜。罗马的基础设施和各种人潮管制作业早已呈现吃紧现象，有一名乌克兰妇女本周末因心脏病发作不治，另有不少人在圣伯多禄广场周边杂沓人潮中昏倒。

zouweiyao · 发表于 2005-4-6 14:25:00

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