求助: Should I go or wait for one year -about Duke（兼MBA申请坦诚版）

adios

以下是引用janechen在2005-4-3 1:20:00的发言：
But the general concensus within business circle is that there are the core 7 schools.

you are talking about the "general concensus" within Businessweek discussion forum bah?

LOL

adios

以下是引用DDDCCC在2005-4-3 4:20:00的发言：

绝对同意楼上的兄弟！！！这么说，我还有机会，入选M7乃至TOP3.

of course you may have.

but you really need to work hard figure out why those "M7" rejected you this time. and some schools are not quite re-applicant friendly - say H, S, so unless you had some life-changing stories to tell next year, i suggest you can save the 400 bucks.

W is pretty good to re-applicants.

Chicago is the easiest to get in - i've heard that its selectivity is 30% and above - means for every three person applies to Chicago, Chicago admits one.

so good luck, but the first thing; ask yourself what do you want to do after MBA. what do you want to get out of MBA? money? career? i can guarantee you that a MBA degree does not grant you automatic success.

my company's strategic planning group is recruiting a summer intern from Stanford/Sloan/Haas/Anderson, and no school name gives you advantage over the others - as a matter of fact i throw a Resume of a FY MIT student (an American) to the hiring manager and he says "that would be interesting to know more about him, but right now i am more lean towards Anderson" - why? just because Anderson is much closer to my company (geographically).

swan

以下是引用adios在2005-4-3 4:22:00的发言：

this is totally, absolutely bull shit.

to me there is only two "super" schools: H/S. W is little bit on the edge.

after that, Chicago, Kellogg, Columbia, Sloan, Tuck, Duke, Haas, Yale, Cornell, Ross, Anderson, Darden, Stern, they are all at the same level.

which one is "better"? only depends on where (geographically) and which industry you want to work in after mba.

5 years down the road, who the heck cares about "which school did you graduate from?" your boss is not stupid, s/he won't give you promotion just because you graduated from Harvard. if you can't make money for the company, you are gone, you are history, baby.

and if you will need to hang yourself on this school brand thing whole your life just to boost your self-esteem, i say you are a darn big LOSER pal.

but hey if you are a "brand" sucker, and if you are still young, then just wait for another year, apply to these so-called "M7". otherwise you might regret your whole life: "why the fxxk i didn't wait for one more year so i can get into harvard and brag about it till my death"

disclaimer: applied to two of the so-called "M-7", got in one, got rejected by the other, and i am going to the third school which gives me dean's fellowship (which is also a so-called "top-10")

for those "brand-sucker" who feels offended, take my word as "constructive criticism". LOL.

i am just fed up with this kind of stupid discussion.

You are totally, totally, obsolutly absolutely right!!!

But for your opinion, I can say you guy should be also a brand-sucker, because in your heart, just S/H are your top and dream schools. (Dont be angry, just a kidding, Ha!). What is the difference from these so-called M7 and Top3. If you are obsolutely outstanding, no matter where you go, Harvard or H...., you are still outstanding. But, if you are stupid, even if you are pushed into Harvard, after two years, I believe you are still Stupid. Even your boss make a stupid big mistake and hire you, after a short time, when he/she found you are one of Harvard Stupid Guy, you will definetely be fired.

For top10, m7, top3, it makes no sense. Just because no matter where you will go, you are still yourself. You think you will get into a heaven and change your cloth, No!!! You are still in the real business world. Guanxi, Money, and ........

Go, Go, Go, just go!!!

adios

以下是引用swan在2005-4-3 4:44:00的发言：

You are totally, totally, obsolutly absolutely right!!!

thank you. i knew it, but anyway thank for your trust in me,

But for your opinion, I can say you guy should be also a brand-sucker, because in your heart, just S/H are your top and dream schools. (Dont be angry, just a kidding, Ha!). What is the difference from these so-called M7 and Top3. If you are obsolutely outstanding, no matter where you go, Harvard or H...., you are still outstanding. But, if you are stupid, even if you are pushed into Harvard, after two years, I believe you are still Stupid. Even your boss make a stupid big mistake and hire you, after a short time, when he/she found you are one of Harvard Stupid Guy, you will definetely be fired.

guys, no need to feel upset by my words. i am just fed up with this stupid "M-7", "Top-10" talk, and yes, i am stupid. i know that too.

but for someone interesting enough to comment that "在TOP的学校里，KELLOGG和MICHIGAN的学校相对而言，处事较为低调。", or went even further, to lable some school kids are "smarter" than others. this is BULL SHIT.

i said it once, i say it now, and i will say it again if someone dares to bring that shit up next time - yes you heard me right. loud and clear.

For top10, m7, top3, it makes no sense. Just because no matter where you will go, you are still yourself. You think you will get into a heaven and change your cloth, No!!! You are still in the real business world. Guanxi, Money, and ........

am i a "brand-sucker"? of course i am. but at least i know when to let this "brand" go and pick up something more realistic.

say, if i was given the choice of wharton and yale, will i go for yale? probably not. but if yale gives me full tuition, would i still go to wharton? probably not. it is that simple.

Go, Go, Go, just go!!!

yes i am coming.

and my apologies if my words offended you.

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felix_zheng

对了,这下气氛好多了^_^

adios

以下是引用felix_zheng在2005-4-3 12:17:00的发言：
对了,这下气氛好多了^_^

i like dramas, you know, give you the kind of ups and downs,

and i hate people talking "today's weather hahaha...", so a little bit of spice, may raise your blood pressure a bit, but good for your health,

hmmm. why this emote is so huge?!

nestlemys

楼主，对你的心情深表同情。我也是申请太晚了。3月份才申请 不是比你更晚吗？提交申请后我才发现自己有那么多地方本该写的很好的都没有写。我不知道如果我拿到了学校的offer会怎么想，但是我知道我明年再申请一年一定会比今年写的好很多。看到你的帖子心理很宽慰看到同路人。

支持兄弟。

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cicilla

看了这么多讨论，一个感受：想好了再做！做了就不后悔！

swan

以下是引用adios在2005-4-3 11:32:00的发言：

But for your opinion, I can say you guy should be also a brand-sucker, because in your heart, just S/H are your top and dream schools. (Dont be angry, just a kidding, Ha!). What is the difference from these so-called M7 and Top3. If you are obsolutely outstanding, no matter where you go, Harvard or H...., you are still outstanding. But, if you are stupid, even if you are pushed into Harvard, after two years, I believe you are still Stupid. Even your boss make a stupid big mistake and hire you, after a short time, when he/she found you are one of Harvard Stupid Guy, you will definetely be fired.

guys, no need to feel upset by my words. i am just fed up with this stupid "M-7", "Top-10" talk, and yes, i am stupid. i know that too.

I do not say you are " Stupid", even in the Harvard intelligent peers, who can say nobody is stupid. Even in the one stupid group, who knows somebody is super smart. I do not know you guy, so I can not say which group you belong to? So, here, I do not want to discuss you are smart or stupid. I want to discuss these schools.

but for someone interesting enough to comment that "在TOP的学校里，KELLOGG和MICHIGAN的学校相对而言，处事较为低调。", or went even further, to lable some school kids are "smarter" than others. this is BULL SHIT.

Once again, I do not means the individual, I means collectivity and samples. Yes, absolutely, for every investigation, when the R square is above 70%, we will say, wow, it is a good data collection and analysis. So, someone should not belong to these 70% samples, but other 30% exceptional. For me, I totally hate the words" BULL SHIT" because it make no sense. When sb can not say some reasons, like to use this kind of words to criticize others. But, But, you can say, I know these word is American guys' tongue. So, even if I can bear you say this kind of words, why you can not bear others discuss this kind of topic. It is very important for most of people to choose the goodfit school and seek the dream school, right??? So the more we discuss, the more people will know these schools and get the more information.

i said it once, i say it now, and i will say it again if someone dares to bring that shit up next time - yes you heard me right. loud and clear.

Answer: Hi, Adios, the first things is drinking some cold water, and taking a deep breath, and now we can talk with this topic again. I do not feel upset. For me, it is ok. Thank you very much, even in your opinion, I finally and luckly belong to the so-called brand school and dream school.What I talk is how to choose the school and evaluate the school in a right way basing on the background and personalities of different people. Maybe someone will swim quickly in Kellogg than in Harvard. That will be great if this guy choose Kellogg. Is that right???

For top10, m7, top3, it makes no sense. Just because no matter where you will go, you are still yourself. You think you will get into a heaven and change your cloth, No!!! You are still in the real business world. Guanxi, Money, and ........

am i a "brand-sucker"? of course i am. but at least i know when to let this "brand" go and pick up something more realistic.

Great!!!

say, if i was given the choice of wharton and yale, will i go for yale? probably not. but if yale gives me full tuition, would i still go to wharton? probably not. it is that simple.

Go, Go, Go, just go!!!

yes i am coming.

Yes, we are classmates,Ha!!!

and my apologies if my words offended you.

And this topic is just a forum about how to choose school, so all of my opinion is just based on the topic "school", not on people, so dont misunderstand!!! So, after you take a cold shower and drink a cold water, we can go ahead... (A joke, friend)

lucsh

人算不如天算,万一2008年H1B大幅削减或联邦利率和失业率高企,HBS毕业也不妙了