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[SC总结] 定从修饰问题终极大讨论开始!

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楼主
发表于 2005-3-24 16:41:00 | 只看该作者

定从修饰问题终极大讨论开始!

og27. Published in Harlem, the owner and editor of the Messenger were two young journalists. Chandler Owen j and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader.



(A)  ublished in Harlem, the owner and editor of the Messenger were two young journalists. Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader.



(B)   ublished in Harlem, two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, were the owner and editor of the Messenger.



(C)  ublished in Harlem, the Messenger was owned and edited by two young journalists, A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, and Chandler Owen.



(D)  The Messenger was owned and edited by two young journalists. Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, and published in Harlem.



(E)   The owner and editor being two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, the Messenger was published in Harlem.



Choices A and B present dangling modifiers that illogically suggest that Owen and Randolph, rather than the Messenger, were published in Harlem. In D, the phrase and published in Harlem is too remote from the Messenger to modify it effectively. In E, being produces an awkward construction, and the placement of the main clause at the end of the sen­tence is confusing. Only in C, the best answer, is Published in Harlem followed immediately by the Messenger. Also, C makes it clear that the clause beginning who refers to Randolph.




AB里面不讨论逻辑主语的问题, 关于这个A and B , who的修饰问题.


首先大家看几个题:


128. New hardy varieties of rice show promise of pro­ducing high yields without the costly requirements of irrigation and application of commercial fertilizer by earlier high-yielding varieties.



(A)  requirements of irrigation and application of commercial fertilizer by earlier high-yielding varieties




(B)   requirements by earlier high-yielding varieties of application of commercial fertilizer and irrigation




(C)  requirements for application of commercial fertilizer and irrigation of earlier high-yielding varieties




(D)  application of commercial fertilizer and irriga­tion that was required by earlier high-yielding varieties




(E)   irrigation and application of commercial fertil­izer that were required by earlier high-yielding varieties



正确答案是E, 这里很明显that were有强制指代前面的irrigation and application,而且也只有这样, 不然were说不通.



205. The peaks of a mountain range, acting like rocks in a streambed, produce ripples in the air flowing over them; the resulting flow pattern, with crests and troughs that remain stationary although the air that forms them is moving rapidly, are known as "standing waves."




(A)  crests and troughs that remain stationary although the air that forms them is moving rapidly, are




(B)  crests and troughs that remain stationary although they are formed by rapidly moving air, are




(C)  crests and troughs that remain stationary although the air that forms them is moving rapidly, is




(D)  stationary crests and troughs although the air that forms them is moving rapidly, are




(E)   stationary crests and troughs although they are formed by rapidly moving air, is





答案是C,根据句意也可以判断出后置的定从指代前面crests and troughs 这个整体



现在问题出来了,为什么OG27可以说在不存在强制指代,也不是指代整体的情况下就说可以指代A of B中的A呢?


113. Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches. whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.



(A)  saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang



(B)   saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs were hanging



(C)  saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging



(D)  seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging



(E)   seen monk eys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs have hung



Choices A, B, and C use have ... saw where have ... seen is required. Choices A, B, and E awkwardly separate the relative clause beginning whose arms and legs ... from monkeys, the noun it modifies. Choices A and E also confusingly use the present tense hang and the present perfect have hung, respectively; neither verb conveys clearly that, at the time the monkeys were spotted sleeping, their arms and legs were hanging in the manner described. Choice D, the best answer, not only forms a correct and clear sentence by supplying the present perfect verb have ... seen, but also solves the problem of the whose ... clause by using the appropriately placed adverbial phrase with arms and legs hanging... to modify sleeping.


这个题目里面monkey和whoes中间有一个braches, 如果说可以跳越的话, 那为什么OG解释说错了?114. From the bark of the paper birch tree the Menomini crafted a canoe about twenty feet long and two feet wide, with small ribs and rails of cedar, which could carry four persons or eight hundred pounds of baggage so light that a person could easily portage it around impeding rapids.




(A)  baggage so light



(B)   baggage being so light



(C)  baggage, yet being so light



(D)  baggage, and so light



(E)   baggage yet was so light



红色的which在肯定是修饰canoe, 居然中间那些插入的名词全都不是歧义?!跳那么远?!




请教大家!!! 同时大家对于定从的指代有什么看法, 尤其是跳越的, 都一起发出来吧, 我们大家合力一个帖子解决掉!!




[此贴子已经被作者于2005-3-29 22:42:38编辑过]
沙发
 楼主| 发表于 2005-3-24 23:44:00 | 只看该作者

大家讨论一下啊!

板凳
发表于 2005-3-24 23:59:00 | 只看该作者

好贴! 支持一下。

128. costly irrigation and appliation of commercial fertilizer

是 irrigation and application 很 costly, 不是 fertilizer 很 costly,

所以 that were 指的是 irrigation and application

205. 同意。

       但这和 OG-27 有什么关系呢?  A of B 结构中,一般 A 是中心词。

113,114,

      除了根据逻辑意义判定外,偶也没有别的招了。

地板
 楼主| 发表于 2005-3-25 00:18:00 | 只看该作者

OG128和OG205都是定从指代前面的一个名词短语, 即N1andN2, 但是OG27的who后面已经说出了是his, 很明显不能指代整体, 所以说只能指代一个, 即前面的A.PR, 但是OG有说Also, C makes it clear that the clause beginning who refers to Randolph, 言外之意是其它的没有说清楚, 可AB说的挺清楚的啊?!

再讨论!

5#
发表于 2005-3-25 14:29:00 | 只看该作者
因为是his reputation…… 只能指代一个
6#
 楼主| 发表于 2005-3-25 17:26:00 | 只看该作者

但是为什么说会产生unclear呢?

非限定性定语从句就近修饰没问题嘛.

7#
发表于 2005-3-25 21:29:00 | 只看该作者

我的感觉 A of B that 结构中 (即从属结构,A是中心词)


我见到的有两种观点 1 LES的 A of B + that结构:that从句都是指向中心名词A的,请参考OG196/168,除非A B有数量上的区别时,根据that从句的谓语的数来判断修饰对象 见:http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&star=2&replyid=575650&id=65727&skin=0&page=1


第2种观点是:定语从句的修饰对象必须明确合理,修饰原则是先就近再跳跃。通过定语从句的主谓一直,可以保证修饰对象的清楚明确。见白勇GMAT语法全解 page 225


到底跳跃修饰是否合理,什么时候可以跳跃,没有定论,我发过类似的post 见此http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=97341


二,在 A and B that/who 结构中,(即并列结构)


个人认为,这样情况一旦发生,定语从句修饰的应该是A和B


如果要单独修饰B的话,应该是B that/who... and A 这样才不容易发生歧异.或者有定语的单复数能明显表示定从是修饰B的,比如人名A and人名B who 单数.... 这样就肯定是修饰B ,而不是A和B


而在这种结构是不可能出现定从跳跃单独修饰A的


请NN指正



[此贴子已经被作者于2005-3-25 21:48:03编辑过]
8#
 楼主| 发表于 2005-3-25 21:59:00 | 只看该作者

感觉A of B结构没有特定的修饰对像, 应该根据意思来.

A and B的结构确实应该是修饰两个, 但是OG27已经用了单数代词可解释还说说有歧义, 感觉上A+介词+B+定从这种结构动从的修饰对像是不确定的, 所以会产生unclear, 所以要表达一个修饰的时候最好的用B that/who... and A.

最后是OG113和114, 这两个which的跳越修饰挺烦, 一个说不可以, 一个又可以, 迷惑!

大家讨论讨论!

9#
发表于 2005-3-25 22:07:00 | 只看该作者

113 是with 紧密性独立结构 实际上应该算是状语

114  a canoe about twenty feet long and two feet wide, with small ribs and rails of cedar, which could

结构是canoe+介宾短语1,介宾短语2,+ 定语从句

about twenty feet long and two feet wide, with small ribs and rails of cedar,应该是并列修饰canoe的,所以中心词还是canoe 这个修饰关系很明确啊,跳跃也无妨啊

10#
 楼主| 发表于 2005-3-26 13:56:00 | 只看该作者
还是没理解, 113的whoes为什么会歧义?
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