分享总结35所学校近年最好的一些Placement - 金融方向

Ribeye · 发表于 2020-4-28 10:16:40

汇总一下以下学校最近几年（6-8年）最好的（前30%？）一些Placement。有可能不全，欢迎大家回帖补充更多学校和信息，我再更新到主帖上。

几点说明：
1. 没总结Chicago, MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Wharton，因为这几个学校的top placement一般还是这几个学校。
2. 没列出industry placement、政府（Fed这种）、Visiting AP、Clinical AP、Post-doc等等，只考虑Tenure Track AP的placement。所以列出来的都是TT AP (or UK AU equivalent)。
2.1 关于Fed：Fed System如果是Board或者NY的economist（这个职位对国际生不算友好）那是很好的research placement，但是项目展示出来的Fed placement有可能是regional Fed和非economist的职位，比如Fed每年会招很多PhD做risk specialist, data scientist, etc.。
3. 列出的都是initial placement。
4. 都是去商学院的placement，如果是Econ会标注。
5. 以北美placement为主，方便比较，这个欢迎大家补充其他。

不排名也不分级，大家自己判断。
以下信息来自项目网站或和faculty/current stduents的聊天。（这不是排名）

NYU - HBS, Georgetown, Rochester, UCLA, UIUC, JHU, CMU
Northwestern - Yale, Wharton, Notre Dame, UNC, Rice, Georgia Tech
Columbia - NYU, Chicago, Wharton, USC, OSU, Maryland, BC
Duke - NYU Econ, Cornell, UBC, Yale (2), TAMU, Purdue
UCLA - UIUC, NYU, UTAustin, USC, UWashington, Notre Dame
UCB - NYU, IUB, Chicago, Maryland, UNC, TAMU
Yale - NYU, Notre Dame (2), Caltech, CMU, LBS
Michigan - Georgia Tech (2), LBS, Penn State, UMiami, UGeorgia
UTAustin - OSU, USC, Emory, BC, UMN, Utah, Tulane
OSU - NYU, UNC, IUB, Florida, Purdue, UConn
WUSTL - IUB, Cornell, Maryland, Vanderbilt, UTDallas
UNC - Columbia, TAMU, IUB, SMU (TX), Tulane
UMD - WUSTL, JHU, Warwick (2), SMU (TX), Vanderbilt
UIUC - SMU (TX), Purdue, Pittsburgh, MSU, LBS
UWashington - CMU, UGeorgia, BYU, Oklahoma, USCaro, UNSW
Rice - Tulane, Cornell, American U, UBC, SMU (TX)
CMU - INSEAD, ASU (2), Oklahoma, HKUST
Emory - Georgetown, CUNY-Baruch, USCaro, GWU, UNSW
IUB - Cornell, SMU (TX), SUNY-Buffalo, UCincinnati, DePaul
UMN - LSE, Temple, American U, Iowa State
Florida - Oregon, Pittsburgh, Arkansas, Fordham, Missouri
Georgia Tech - Emory, UTDallas, CUNY-Baruch, FIU, Wyoming
ASU - NSCU, Colorado State, Western U, Cal State-Fullerton, ANU
PSU - KU (2), Northeastern, SUNY-Binghamton, Villanova, Miami (OH)
GSU - SMU (SG), Auburn, Baylor, Cleveland State, Alabama, Lehigh
MSU - Tulane, Cal State-Long Beach, Hofstra U (NY)
Purdue - Oregon, Tilburg, San Diego State, ANU, Dayton
UArizona - SUNY-Albany, Tennessee, Clemson, Miami (OH), Binghamton, Washington State
UWisconsin - USCaro, IUB, OSU Econ, UMass-Boston
UCSD - Oregon, SSE
CUNY-Baruch - SMU (SG), Concordia, New Hampshire, Nebraska, Babson
UMiami - USCaro, KU, Missouri
Temple - Fordham, UMass-Lowell, Louisiana Tech, Texas Tech, Cleveland State
UTDallas - UCentral Florida, UTEP, Baylor, Mississippi
Drexel - Villanova, IU-Indianapolis, Rutgers-Camden, UMissouri

有知道USC, Cornell, BC, Rochester, TAMU近几年placement的可以补充啊。
目前所知、网友回帖或者私信补充、且已核实的：
USC - Chicago, UMelbourne, Virginia Tech
BC - Notre Dame, CUNY-Baruch
Cornell - IUB, CUNY-Baruch
Rochester - UIUC

Ribeye · 发表于 2020-4-29 03:39:22

Tripleg 发表于 2020-4-28 19:27
This finance-specific list is a good supplement to our Placement Rankings. We appreciate your time a ...

请尽量用中文回帖谢谢，方便新人阅读。
后面的学校大多已经很难挑出最近4-5个好的placement，很多也都是regional school，列了也没几个认识的。

另外那个分Tier的帖子到后面对Finance方向就有些偏差了，比如MSU/Purdue在Tier2，但是Tier3的Utah/GSU/UMiami(过去三年有USCaro/KU), etc.并不差甚至稍好。
Tier4的Baruch近些年有SMU (SG), Concordia, New Hampshire, Nebraska, Babson，并不弱于甚至稍强于Tier3的一些学校比如UTD, UConn, etc.。

Tier4和Tier5的一些学校区别也不大，比如很难说Tier4的Alabama, USF (UTRGC/UTEP/UM-Lowell)在Finance上比Tier5的Rutgers (SUNY-Albany/Queen's Smith/Clemson), Drexel好。

我没有说Drexel是Top50，列这些只是我能有信息的一些学校。PS 我听说Drexel今年的candidate去了2+0的学校很不错

Ribeye · 发表于 2020-4-29 07:19:12

Tripleg 发表于 2020-4-29 06:29

... As for the schools mentioned here, though, Purdue is as good as or better than Utah, GSU, and UMiami...
... placement information often contains errors or inaccuracies (this can be very serious in the case of certain of what we call average schools). For example, a research school position sometimes turns out to be adjunct or practical in nature. By the way, the list is missing quite some good schools, from Berkeley to Emory and to University of Southern California.

请尽量用中文回帖谢谢，方便新人阅读。
Placement的角度GSU>Miami>>Purdue，Purdue finance近十年R1学校的TT AP placement只有Oregon，还是9年前的。

另外你说的*errors or inaccuracies*在这个表里不存在，看看列表前面的几点说明，没有任何一个主贴里和我的回帖里列出来的placement是Post-doc/VAP/Clinical/Adjunct，列出来的都是TT AP (or UK AU equivalent)。这是找人帮忙一个一个对着CV网站LinkedIn查的。

最后，你仔细看看主帖，是我*missing quite some good schools*，还是你看漏了

Ribeye · 发表于 2020-4-29 22:45:52

Tripleg 发表于 2020-4-29 19:44
... A note on ranking criteria: Our Placement Rankings have considered tenure-track assistant professors, positions in high profile research institutions (The Fed System, Cornerstone Research, etc.), as well as visiting professors and postdocs at leading (or reputed at least) research universities. For the rationale underlying our criteria, see our Placement Rankings for detail. To highlight one point, however, positions at decent research institutions are widely judged or perceived to be as good as TTAP ones at research schools, esp. in the case of finance, and many people pursue these often out of personal preferences...

你也说了personal preference，有强烈个人偏好的placement难以互相比较，这也是为什么只列TT AP和没有列很多北美以外的placement。

Cornerstone Research虽然名字里有research但实际是litigation consulting，跟academic research离远了，算industry placement，同样NERA/CRA这些也是。

Fed System如果是Board或者NY的economist（这个位置对国际生不友好）那确实是很好的research placement，但是展示出来的Fed placement的*错误和纰漏*比academic placement还要大，有可能是regional Fed和非economist的职位，比如Fed每年会招很多PhD做risk specialist, data scientist这种，和academic placement就不算一个门类了，更像industry placement，不方便比较。这个如果不一一核查那偏差会很大，所以不确定是Board或者NY的economist那就应该去掉。

有一些VAP确实是不错的placement，有的VAP就是老师不够了雇来教一年两年课，有的是有很好的研究支持而且转TT AP可能性很大。还可以看工资，有的VAP能到TT AP的80%-90%薪水，但是还有很多只有几万美金。这些具体信息难以获知，所以为了方便衡量比较，应该不列出来。

熊二xx · 发表于 2020-4-28 11:15:09

Tripleg · 发表于 2020-4-28 19:27:49

This finance-specific list is an excellent supplement to our Placement Rankings. We appreciate your time and effort.
It is worth noting that information on programs in Tier Three (3) and below would be more revealing since career outcomes at Tier One and Tier Two programs (or what we call top programs) are generally uniformly outstanding for all concentrations.

As for specific programs, Michigan State University pales in comparison to many others. Overall, MSU belongs to the very bottom of Tier Two or the top of Tier Three, but we have placed it within Tier Two, notwithstanding. Drexel University is by no means among the top 50 in finance or any other concentration. Also, Temple barely falls within this bracket.

etherealedge · 发表于 2020-4-28 19:53:40

Cornell不在网站上写placement，所以要去翻教授们的cv，近几年貌似有IUB和Pittsburgh。

Tripleg · 发表于 2020-4-29 06:29:08

Ribeye 发表于 2020-4-29 03:39
请尽量用中文回帖谢谢，方便新人阅读。
后面的学校大多已经很难挑出最近4-5个好的placement，很多也都是re ...

Our Placement Rankings take into consideration alumni career outcomes (both academic and non-academic) for all areas of focus, so it may not accurately reflect where certain finance programs actually stand. As for the schools mentioned here, though, Purdue is as good as or better than Utah, GSU, and UMiami. By the way, UMiami is quite new and only started to admit for the finance track a few years ago, but they are already very successful.

In viewing a school's placement history, we would need to have the overall picture in mind while paying particular attention to identifying "shining stars" at the same time. Also, as we have discussed before, placement information often contains errors or inaccuracies (this can be very serious in the case of certain of what we call average schools). For example, a research school position sometimes turns out to be adjunct or practical in nature.

By the way, the list is missing quite some good schools, from Berkeley to Emory and to University of Southern California.

Sometimes we write in English just to save time but will mind your suggestion.

Tripleg · 发表于 2020-4-29 08:20:46

Ribeye 发表于 2020-4-29 07:19
请尽量用中文回帖谢谢，方便新人阅读。
Placement的角度GSU>Miami>>Purdue，Purdue finance近十年R1学校的 ...

Emory is there. Sorry for overlooking it. But some good schools are indeed missing, including the big name Wharton.

With respect to Purdue finance, here is the link: https://krannert.purdue.edu/programs/phd/placement.php. Isn't it impressive? So we are not sure about your source of Purdue, since Oregon is not there at all.

We are not arguing with you, but errors and inaccuracies do exist, especially for lower-ranking schools. On the side of the graduates who are adjunct, clinical (or visiting) professors, some are not willing to be labeled as such, so sometimes this information is not reflected on their school or personal websites.

We will try to use "plain langauge" but promise to be back in Chinese later on when there is more free time.

Ribeye · 发表于 2020-4-29 08:33:29

Tripleg 发表于 2020-4-29 08:20

Emory is there. Sorry for overlooking it. But some good schools are indeed missing, including the big name Wharton.
With respect to Purdue finance, here is the link: https://krannert.purdue.edu/programs/phd/placement.php. Isn't it impressive? So we are not sure about your source of Purdue, since Oregon is not there at all.

你还是没仔细看啊，我第一个说明就说了*没总结Chicago, MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Wharton* 因为没有必要这几个学校的top placement一般还是这几个学校。Emory在Berkeley也在，USC我在最后也说明了等待补充。
Purdue finance placement这个Oregon在2011年，又漏看了吧。而且确实并不impressive，因为这里的UVA是postdoc，UIC那个的initial placement是lecturer，Indiana的是Clinical，Arizona那个initial placement是visiting instructor，OSU那个也是Visiting，FSU的initial placement也是visiting，所以Purdue finance的initial placement最好的就是9年前的Oregon。所以我说GSU>Miami>>Purdue

重申一下 - 我能列出来的都是一一核对的，没有所谓的Post-doc/VAP/Clinical/Adjunct带来的“errors and inaccuracies”。

Tripleg · 发表于 2020-4-29 10:08:19

Ribeye 发表于 2020-4-29 08:33
你还是没仔细看啊，我第一个说明就说了*没总结Chicago, MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Wharton* 因为没有必要 ...

先前看得比较仓促。

刚仔细看了下 Purdue，你提到的这些，除了两个（一个是Postdoc，一个是 Clinical），其他都非常好的，更有 Tilburg, Arizona等名校，所以说强于Utah, U Miami, GSU等，其实总体看一眼就知分晓了。我们在制定Placement Rankings时是经过反复考量的，大家的申请结果和反馈都普遍证明是客观公正的。

至于Placements的错误和疏漏，确实非常多，排名越低越如此，试想Purdue这样的好学校也存在这种情况，何况排名低的呢。

大家之所以越来越重视 Placements，是因为过去预知将来，一般很难超越，究其原因很多，不再赘述。

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