求分析！！ESCP全奖 vs Bocconi全奖 vs 四大，求教该怎么抉择，感谢感谢！！！！

Leon123Xu

大家好，小弟不太发帖，一直潜水，这次因为面临抉择了自己知识太有限，性格又纠结，所以想请各位战友帮忙分析下啊，太感激了！！！！

ESCP 是GE，全奖，未赶上埃菲尔奖（估计也申不到）；Bocconi 是 Master in Management，全奖加免费住宿；以及四大工作。

现在纠结的是到底怎么走：
1，留在四大，工作几年后申top的MBA，主要想INSEAD这种，四大的背景申这个level能行吗？？求教！
2，出国读master，职业目标是咨询或投行，不知这两校Master毕业后能不能如愿？ 同时两家又该咋选呢？
3,  先在四大工作，这个秋天冲HEC一年制MSc，因为dreamschool 是HEC，这次SAI被拒。。很伤心。。而且不喜欢四大的工作，内心并不愿待太久。。

求教各位帮我分析一下利弊啊，该走哪条路呢，感激不尽！！！！

同时开个投票吧，望各位不吝赐教~~（帮忙的亲们别投票就走哈，帮忙分析下给点意见啊，感谢感谢！！）

maxime0224

好吧，我承认丢票给ESCP 纯粹是因为对意呆利不了解
不过根据每个国家留下来都必须说会本国语言的尿性。。。ESCP时间长一些，这对你留欧应该是个好处
关于投行，貌似两家都是Target School
关于咨询，回国以后是BA还是associate不清楚，但是这边的话，咨询很要工作经验，一般来说非酱油岗位的都要求3-5年的工作经验。。
另外，咨询对语言要求也很高
所以选咨询的话只能曲线救国，先选自己感兴趣的其他职能，如Marketing, Supply Chain在公司里面混个几年再出来


还有，工作一年的四大貌似在这边加成不是特别大。。。我说的是对于投行来说。。
另外，HEC 的一年制MSc。。。好吧，我只知道很多其他的学校会偏向于只招GE的学生，HEC的MSc,,,只能坐等大神了

Leon123Xu

maxime0224 发表于 2015-2-27 19:38
好吧，我承认丢票给ESCP 纯粹是因为对意呆利不了解
不过根据每个国家留下来都必须说会本国语言的尿性。。。 ...

十分感谢啊，说这么细~~，亲你是正在欧洲吗，像这俩学校你周围有听说中国人成功留下在投行或咨询不？？我怕别混了个master白搭了。。

那什么，关于INSEAD这种，四大做几年后有把握申到吗？也是有考虑毕竟MBA进投行或咨询几率更大，而且进去就associate。。

对了，欧洲的咨询要求工作经验哈？所以只能先在那边实业混几年再跳吗？

我比较烦哈，问题太多，见谅~多谢~~~~

cheesechan

1. big 4 --> MBA, possible, but you have to know many of them want to do so, and business school don't like to take too many people from same background, i.e. very keen competition.

2. be realistic....i am not saying that's impossible, but that's definitely very difficult; you should expect a plan B.
ibank: you better get a econ / finance, instead of management
consultant: put aside every other concern, how's your English? and since you applied to FR and IT, how's your level of French or Italian?

3. HEC is a very good school, but the concern of a MSc is: one year, language and chances for internship are both big issue.

4. ESCP vs Bocconi: Bocconi is definitely a better business school, but one may prefer ESCP due to it's country and location (which is a subjective concern).

maxime0224

Leon123Xu 发表于 2015-2-27 20:52
十分感谢啊，说这么细~~，亲你是正在欧洲吗，像这俩学校你周围有听说中国人成功留下在投行或咨询不？ ...

是啊，我在欧洲读不知名小本。。。。
投行的话，每年都有去前台实习的，从好学校到差学校都有。。。
乃知道，这个是看个人
话说INSEAD的ProfIle 你在网上应该查的到啊
然后欧洲貌似听说工作经验和语言是比MBA重要的，
欧洲的咨询反正我的老师，我的学长，已经工作了的人是要工作经验的，项目主任说Financial Consulting除外，不过这个机会也不大
LS说的很好啊。。。你应该有另外的计划。。
话说俺在欧洲某国呆久了也慢慢偏实业了，你看CAC40，DAX金融机构咨询其实蛮少的。。。
好像CAC40里面的咨询就Capgemini一个吧

Leon123Xu

cheesechan 发表于 2015-2-27 23:19
1. big 4 --> MBA, possible, but you have to know many of them want to do so, and business school don ...

Thanks a lot for your suggestions! About the econ/finance thing, I'm actually considering applying to Sciences Po (Institut d'Etudes Politiques de Paris) or another top public university to gain a solid training on economics or finance rather than choose a business school. But I heard that public universities might be less competitive in job hunting compared to B-schools, what is the fact like in Europe?

cheesechan

Leon123Xu 发表于 2015-2-27 23:55
Thanks a lot for your suggestions! About the econ/finance thing, I'm actually considering applying ...

science po have a solid network in public sector, and thus have influence in finance through government, but in France. You have to speak French first for sure.

If you cannot speak the local language, and plan to work in finance, London, Frankfurt, Zurich (also Munich and Amsterdam, but not that much) are the only choice. You need to go to a school that's a target in the FO of the FI in those cities.

cheesechan

maxime0224 发表于 2015-2-27 23:46
是啊，我在欧洲读不知名小本。。。。
投行的话，每年都有去前台实习的，从好学校到差学校都有。。。
乃知 ...

working experience is always the most important, a related one of course........

a master degree are useful for:
- knocking / opening a door (through alumni network / internship, and the key: the reputation of the school at the place one want to work in)
- learning some skill which is necessary for some roles (like math / law / etc...)

and the european continential don't really value MBA as much as the US counterpart.

consulting always like someone with related experience in certain area: who gonna to listen opinion from someone fresh?

indeed that are quite some top bank in europe, like DB, CS, UBS......the point is, management are not on the top of the recuirtment list.

Leon123Xu

maxime0224 发表于 2015-2-27 23:46
是啊，我在欧洲读不知名小本。。。。
投行的话，每年都有去前台实习的，从好学校到差学校都有。。。
乃知 ...

酱紫。。那ESCP和Bocconi在欧洲哪个好点啊，reputation，教育质量啥的？

Leon123Xu

cheesechan 发表于 2015-2-28 00:03
working experience is always the most important, a related one of course........

a master degree a ...

So is the Big-4 a relatively wiser choice for me ("working experience”）? Also, could you please explain a little why Bocconi is better than ESCP, I'm quite ignorant actually...