跨专业申请MFE，真诚恳求各位CDer给出建议

hangli2

你的经历都是corporate finance的经历，却要申一个financial market的专业。你觉得你适合做quant，做好这个准备了么？还是在IB/VC/PE与Trading/Quant research/HF之间举棋不定？

-- by 会员 gmatfucker (2013/2/16 13:58:36)

谢谢fucker哥！


其实我现在是这样想的：我现在的BG进不了BB的FO，那么就需要一个跟Finance有关的Master，最好是个美国的target school。但是在所有跟Finance有关的专业中MFE又是跟我本科专业最相关的，也就是我个人认为最有希望能够申到的。说真的，经历了今年招聘季的人（尤其是我这种学渣）都不再会太挑剔FO的job了，哪个最好进就去哪个....


做deals和做market的的确有很大的差别，我觉得我个人的性格更适合做deals（周期长，不是非常紧张），但是也没试过market的东西，所以，也不排斥。总的来说就是尽一切可能拿下一个better brand name。想法比较幼稚，fucker哥见笑了。

-- by 会员 sprinttime (2013/2/16 14:30:21)

想法挺好的，读MFE的去做IBD也不是一个两个，其实读master很大程度上就是为了rebrand yourself
但如果你只是为了brand name，没必要一心扑在MFE上，这个项目竞争太激烈，其实最top的学校开MFE的也不多。你不妨对所有target schools做个研究，把每个学校跟business比较相关，又比较容易进的program列出来，然后申这些programs就行了。。

-- by 会员 Frued (2013/2/16 15:20:34)

谢谢！我觉得跟Finance沾边的program竞争都激烈，别的专业比如什么entrepreneurship, accounting要么太无关，要么我没基础。话说你觉得MFE和MSF这两个项目申请的难度哪个高呀？我怎么觉得MSF更激烈呢（CD上全是MSF的帖子....）

-- by 会员 sprinttime (2013/2/16 23:07:24)

the sample is highly biased... 因为CD主要是做商学院的，大家都考GMAT；MSF几乎全都在商学院而且收GMAT，所以CD上面大家都讨论MSF
如果去一亩三分地或者quantnet那就是另一番光景了，比如在一亩三分地没人会去讨论msa、msf

38383388

就知道涉及到top 1234的帖子肯定会歪。。。直接自报家门多好，省得口水。。。。

不歪楼。。。LZ考个GRE Math Sub可能有帮助，毕竟时间不多了，补不了几门数学课了(全香港的BBA的year 1都是基础课。。。kind of a waste of time)

以坑U的水平找个HSBC投行的development的internship还是不难的，BB的tech可能也还有opening....S&T希望不大（基本被你们的EF包了）

-- by 会员 hangli2 (2013/2/15 22:29:00)

谢谢学长指点，UCB的MFE一直是我的梦想。


我个人在有一点上比较偏执，就是绝对不去投行做IT，即使是GS也不去...我会尽全力找一下国内的PE或者券商的S&T(学长觉得这些有帮助对吗？）


今年market非常不好，EF也走的不好....我现在知道的去了BB的全都是network

-- by 会员 sprinttime (2013/2/15 23:04:39)

读完MFE，最有可能的也就是去做码农。但是应该高兴才对，MSF毕业的连码农都做不了。

另外市场自08年以来每年都不好，所以跟年景无关。

lonaysta

表示持续关注本帖，终于又见到一个BBA背景申MFE的了，这几年一直以为自己是独一个呢……不过LZ背景还是比我犀利太多啦～

JonFrank

Hi, my friend! Thus far, you have a great background. You have a good undergraduate education and academic scores. In addition, your work-related experience is very impressive. These factors will be helpful in your future application, and I’d definitely suggest that you aim fortop-tier programs. I’d also like to offer you a few pieces of advice as you move forward.

First, as you may know, an MFE is more of a math degree, and schools are looking for candidates who havevery strong backgrounds in math. You need to study courses like stochastic process, calculus, and advanced statistics. This background will better prepare you for an MFE program.

Secondly, you need to present strong programming skills, based on C++ or MATLAB. These are necessary tools for success in the real world with an MFE degree.

Finally, if you can pass the CFA level oneexam, that would be a huge advantage. Because your undergrad major is I.S., you also need to show your interest and preparation in finance.

You wanted to know whether it would be harder for you to get an MSF degree. An MSF is a pure finance degree so if you want to apply for this program, you need to take on more finance courses and definitely aim to ace the CFA.

Hope this helps!

Jon Frank
HBS 2005

sprinttime

Hi, my friend! Thus far, you have a great background. You have a good undergraduate education and academic scores. In addition, your work-related experience is very impressive. These factors will be helpful in your future application, and I’d definitely suggest that you aim fortop-tier programs. I’d also like to offer you a few pieces of advice as you move forward.

First, as you may know, an MFE is more of a math degree, and schools are looking for candidates who havevery strong backgrounds in math. You need to study courses like stochastic process, calculus, and advanced statistics. This background will better prepare you for an MFE program.

Secondly, you need to present strong programming skills, based on C++ or MATLAB. These are necessary tools for success in the real world with an MFE degree.

Finally, if you can pass the CFA level oneexam, that would be a huge advantage. Because your undergrad major is I.S., you also need to show your interest and preparation in finance.

You wanted to know whether it would be harder for you to get an MSF degree. An MSF is a pure finance degree so if you want to apply for this program, you need to take on more finance courses and definitely aim to ace the CFA.

Hope this helps!

Jon Frank
HBS 2005

-- by 会员 JonFrank (2013/2/20 11:40:24)

Hi Jon,


Thank you so much for this comprehensive reply. I apologize for this late reply ( I didn't check it regularly...)


Next Semester, I will take an exchange program at Notre Dame in which I plan to study 4 Mathematics courses to enhance my Mathematics background. But this might be a little bit too late since when the result came out, most applications shall have ended. Nevertheless, I will give it a try.


Now the problem really is the timing. The ideal time for me to submit the application is definitely late December because I will have a great GPA at a U.S. College (hopefully, haha), one or two convincing reference letters from ND and more importantly, a more suitable background.


Any tips on how I should spend my time at ND? Football is definitely on schedule, haha.

lonaysta

Hi, my friend! Thus far, you have a great background. You have a good undergraduate education and academic scores. In addition, your work-related experience is very impressive. These factors will be helpful in your future application, and I’d definitely suggest that you aim fortop-tier programs. I’d also like to offer you a few pieces of advice as you move forward.

First, as you may know, an MFE is more of a math degree, and schools are looking for candidates who havevery strong backgrounds in math. You need to study courses like stochastic process, calculus, and advanced statistics. This background will better prepare you for an MFE program.

Secondly, you need to present strong programming skills, based on C++ or MATLAB. These are necessary tools for success in the real world with an MFE degree.

Finally, if you can pass the CFA level oneexam, that would be a huge advantage. Because your undergrad major is I.S., you also need to show your interest and preparation in finance.

You wanted to know whether it would be harder for you to get an MSF degree. An MSF is a pure finance degree so if you want to apply for this program, you need to take on more finance courses and definitely aim to ace the CFA.

Hope this helps!

Jon Frank
HBS 2005

-- by 会员 JonFrank (2013/2/20 11:40:24)

Hi Jon,


Thank you so much for this comprehensive reply. I apologize for this late reply ( I didn't check it regularly...)


Next Semester, I will take an exchange program at Notre Dame in which I plan to study 4 Mathematics courses to enhance my Mathematics background. But this might be a little bit too late since when the result came out, most applications shall have ended. Nevertheless, I will give it a try.


Now the problem really is the timing. The ideal time for me to submit the application is definitely late December because I will have a great GPA at a U.S. College (hopefully, haha), one or two convincing reference letters from ND and more importantly, a more suitable background.


Any tips on how I should spend my time at ND? Football is definitely on schedule, haha.

-- by 会员 sprinttime (2013/2/25 0:40:45)

貌似只有Cornell的ddl你12月出成绩赶不上。。。UMich得第二轮，可能还有几个得第二轮的。。不过MFE的rolling的没有MSF的那么多，而且比如10月就开放申请了的什么的比较少。估计LZ这背景也只会考虑几个牛的吧，那几个比较牛的可能就Cornell，Columbia你赶着比较费劲点儿，像UCB和UCLA这种的时间都很够的，哦对MIT Mfin也有点儿晚。。。。

jessnie

就知道涉及到top 1234的帖子肯定会歪。。。直接自报家门多好，省得口水。。。。

不歪楼。。。LZ考个GRE Math Sub可能有帮助，毕竟时间不多了，补不了几门数学课了(全香港的BBA的year 1都是基础课。。。kind of a waste of time)

以坑U的水平找个HSBC投行的development的internship还是不难的，BB的tech可能也还有opening....S&T希望不大（基本被你们的EF包了）

-- by 会员 hangli2 (2013/2/15 22:29:00)

谢谢学长指点，UCB的MFE一直是我的梦想。


我个人在有一点上比较偏执，就是绝对不去投行做IT，即使是GS也不去...我会尽全力找一下国内的PE或者券商的S&T(学长觉得这些有帮助对吗？）


今年market非常不好，EF也走的不好....我现在知道的去了BB的全都是network

-- by 会员 sprinttime (2013/2/15 23:04:39)

图样图森破啊
你即将毕业，并且还想出去读个FE，一个big name, whatever the position，至少能帮助你今后拿到更多面试。不用担心你现在在BO实习了，今后会不会影响你找FO的实习/工作的问题。
这就像一个Markov Process, 因为你下一个degree就能说明你是朝着FO去的，前面的经历都是铺垫
当然是FO的实习最好了，但是从我的观察来看，BB的BO一定是比国内券商的FO要管用的

sugaryang7

乃们都是牛人

sprinttime

就知道涉及到top 1234的帖子肯定会歪。。。直接自报家门多好，省得口水。。。。

不歪楼。。。LZ考个GRE Math Sub可能有帮助，毕竟时间不多了，补不了几门数学课了(全香港的BBA的year 1都是基础课。。。kind of a waste of time)

以坑U的水平找个HSBC投行的development的internship还是不难的，BB的tech可能也还有opening....S&T希望不大（基本被你们的EF包了）

-- by 会员 hangli2 (2013/2/15 22:29:00)

谢谢学长指点，UCB的MFE一直是我的梦想。


我个人在有一点上比较偏执，就是绝对不去投行做IT，即使是GS也不去...我会尽全力找一下国内的PE或者券商的S&T(学长觉得这些有帮助对吗？）


今年market非常不好，EF也走的不好....我现在知道的去了BB的全都是network

-- by 会员 sprinttime (2013/2/15 23:04:39)

图样图森破啊
你即将毕业，并且还想出去读个FE，一个big name, whatever the position，至少能帮助你今后拿到更多面试。不用担心你现在在BO实习了，今后会不会影响你找FO的实习/工作的问题。
这就像一个Markov Process, 因为你下一个degree就能说明你是朝着FO去的，前面的经历都是铺垫
当然是FO的实习最好了，但是从我的观察来看，BB的BO一定是比国内券商的FO要管用的

-- by 会员 jessnie (2013/2/25 6:19:54)

您批评的有道理....有时候就是拗不过来吧，不愿意浪费10个星期在一件根本不感兴趣的事情上。在这件事情上，还挺不功利的，呵呵。不过反正申请季已经结束了，再反悔都来不及了，人总是要为图样图森破埋单啊，哈哈哈。

sprinttime

Hi, my friend! Thus far, you have a great background. You have a good undergraduate education and academic scores. In addition, your work-related experience is very impressive. These factors will be helpful in your future application, and I’d definitely suggest that you aim fortop-tier programs. I’d also like to offer you a few pieces of advice as you move forward.

First, as you may know, an MFE is more of a math degree, and schools are looking for candidates who havevery strong backgrounds in math. You need to study courses like stochastic process, calculus, and advanced statistics. This background will better prepare you for an MFE program.

Secondly, you need to present strong programming skills, based on C++ or MATLAB. These are necessary tools for success in the real world with an MFE degree.

Finally, if you can pass the CFA level oneexam, that would be a huge advantage. Because your undergrad major is I.S., you also need to show your interest and preparation in finance.

You wanted to know whether it would be harder for you to get an MSF degree. An MSF is a pure finance degree so if you want to apply for this program, you need to take on more finance courses and definitely aim to ace the CFA.

Hope this helps!

Jon Frank
HBS 2005

-- by 会员 JonFrank (2013/2/20 11:40:24)

Hi Jon,


Thank you so much for this comprehensive reply. I apologize for this late reply ( I didn't check it regularly...)


Next Semester, I will take an exchange program at Notre Dame in which I plan to study 4 Mathematics courses to enhance my Mathematics background. But this might be a little bit too late since when the result came out, most applications shall have ended. Nevertheless, I will give it a try.


Now the problem really is the timing. The ideal time for me to submit the application is definitely late December because I will have a great GPA at a U.S. College (hopefully, haha), one or two convincing reference letters from ND and more importantly, a more suitable background.


Any tips on how I should spend my time at ND? Football is definitely on schedule, haha.

-- by 会员 sprinttime (2013/2/25 0:40:45)

貌似只有Cornell的ddl你12月出成绩赶不上。。。UMich得第二轮，可能还有几个得第二轮的。。不过MFE的rolling的没有MSF的那么多，而且比如10月就开放申请了的什么的比较少。估计LZ这背景也只会考虑几个牛的吧，那几个比较牛的可能就Cornell，Columbia你赶着比较费劲点儿，像UCB和UCLA这种的时间都很够的，哦对MIT Mfin也有点儿晚。。。。

-- by 会员 lonaysta (2013/2/25 1:06:31)

谢谢，我还没看过每个学校的截止日期，我以为大部分都是12月1日截止的...