publication对申phd到底可以多重要？

zhipei

Another caveat is publishing too much on low-tier journals. It could hurt you, at least for top schools. I would rather have a permanent working paper than a 3-tier journal or some kind of unheard conference proceedings. You can easily check it out by looking at the CV of top PhD candidates. If some of them have papers there, it must be a decent outlet. Otherwise I'll think twice before highlighting them in my profile.

-- by 会员 zzmypster (2012/3/6 21:26:41)

I have 2 publication total right not, the first one is B level, and the second one is A- level. Another one just got revision invitation in A- level journal. No any conference paper, because as I said above, my professors said conference papers are garbage.

How does this sounds like? So I guess what I can say for my situation is I donot have "niu tui" like all the other people said???

zhipei

same wish to you. What's your situation, are you this year's applicant or just ask some question?
I keep telling myself be strong, do not lose your hope, it is still early. Some of the schools I applied have not do anything until now, so I wish I still have chance.

wish you a satisfactory result, zhipei.
have you nailed down your next stop?

very important, at least they can find your great research potential.
However, although I also have publications, which are A- and B level journals, and some working papers, I have not got any news from the good schools I applied, only 2 lower tier school interviews. It is so ridiculous and ironic, isn't it?

-- by 会员 zhipei (2012/3/6 0:39:14)

-- by 会员 woodenarrow (2012/3/6 19:25:18)

zzmypster

Hi zhipei,

I do not think a JBR is A-. It used to be good. But now, it is tier-3 to me, if QME, JA, JR, JSR, JIM, IJRM etc. count as tier-2. I don't think it is more than a CV filler for faculty in any decent program. Moreover, anything below that would only hurt you.

I am making some bold claims here. Take it with a grain of salt: It seems you are not even trying to publish in top journals. It seems you (and your coauthor) are aiming at some mediocre achievement at most. If that's also the impression you left in committee, I'm afraid thing would not work very well for you. After all, all top 50 programs want to place their students in research school where only tier-1 and tier-2 count for tenure. I would rather have a strong working paper that I presented in major conferences and under review at tier-1 journal, which is basically what I have.

Please do not take it personal, as I'm trying to rationalize how it happened. FYI, I do not have any letter from big names either.

IVOWELCH

看你是本科生还是研究生吧，本科生，paper只能锦上添花，因为他们对于本科生的expectation就是名校，高gpa，所以，你paper所能起到的作用都是contingent on你是名校，高gpa。当然，如果你target很一般的学校，paper可能会有点用，因为跟你竞争的人都非常一般。

IVOWELCH

不用分那么细了，你说的这几个除了qme和jr，剩下的根jbr的区别趋近于零。

Hi zhipei,

I do not think a JBR is A-. It used to be good. But now, it is tier-3 to me, if QME, JA, JR, JSR, JIM, IJRM etc. count as tier-2. I don't think it is more than a CV filler for faculty in any decent program. Moreover, anything below that would only hurt you.

I am making some bold claims here. Take it with a grain of salt: It seems you are not even trying to publish in top journals. It seems you (and your coauthor) are aiming at some mediocre achievement at most. If that's also the impression you left in committee, I'm afraid thing would not work very well for you. After all, all top 50 programs want to place their students in research school where only tier-1 and tier-2 count for tenure. I would rather have a strong working paper that I presented in major conferences and under review at tier-1 journal, which is basically what I have.

Please do not take it personal, as I'm trying to rationalize how it happened. FYI, I do not have any letter from big names either.

-- by 会员 zzmypster (2012/3/6 23:32:55)

zjq407

IJMR比JBR还是要高一档次的

zjq407

本科生哪能搞出来什么像样的publication...能搞出来的本身实力也足够牛校了吧

看你是本科生还是研究生吧，本科生，paper只能锦上添花，因为他们对于本科生的expectation就是名校，高gpa，所以，你paper所能起到的作用都是contingent on你是名校，高gpa。当然，如果你target很一般的学校，paper可能会有点用，因为跟你竞争的人都非常一般。

-- by 会员 IVOWELCH (2012/3/6 23:46:31)

zhipei

多谢你的建议，我直到你是在给我找原因。
你说JBR不算什么，我先不做评论。 单单说你说你有paper under review on top 1 journal, 什么是undereview? 任何人都可以送paper到top 1上去试，这不代表任何东西，更无法证明你的能力。我想你应该知道under review 和 under revision的区别吧。

我知道我现在能力有限，要是才一个master学生随便就能top, 那top可能真不算什么了，差不多烂大街了吧。

Hi zhipei,

I do not think a JBR is A-. It used to be good. But now, it is tier-3 to me, if QME, JA, JR, JSR, JIM, IJRM etc. count as tier-2. I don't think it is more than a CV filler for faculty in any decent program. Moreover, anything below that would only hurt you.

I am making some bold claims here. Take it with a grain of salt: It seems you are not even trying to publish in top journals. It seems you (and your coauthor) are aiming at some mediocre achievement at most. If that's also the impression you left in committee, I'm afraid thing would not work very well for you. After all, all top 50 programs want to place their students in research school where only tier-1 and tier-2 count for tenure. I would rather have a strong working paper that I presented in major conferences and under review at tier-1 journal, which is basically what I have.

Please do not take it personal, as I'm trying to rationalize how it happened. FYI, I do not have any letter from big names either.

-- by 会员 zzmypster (2012/3/6 23:32:55)

zzmypster

Well, there is something called desk rejection, which distinguish "under review" from "submitted to". But that's not my point. My point is top school would prefer ambitious and risk-taking applicant who has confident in his/her work and dare to target the best.


Besides, I think my presentation helped a lot. Every program (at least 5 top 20) that has some faculty in my session gave me, or would have given me an interview. I do not think one B in game theory will hurt you. I even has some C in math.

多谢你的建议，我直到你是在给我找原因。
你说JBR不算什么，我先不做评论。 单单说你说你有paper under review on top 1 journal, 什么是undereview? 任何人都可以送paper到top 1上去试，这不代表任何东西，更无法证明你的能力。我想你应该知道under review 和 under revision的区别吧。

我知道我现在能力有限，要是才一个master学生随便就能top, 那top可能真不算什么了，差不多烂大街了吧。

Hi zhipei,

I do not think a JBR is A-. It used to be good. But now, it is tier-3 to me, if QME, JA, JR, JSR, JIM, IJRM etc. count as tier-2. I don't think it is more than a CV filler for faculty in any decent program. Moreover, anything below that would only hurt you.

I am making some bold claims here. Take it with a grain of salt: It seems you are not even trying to publish in top journals. It seems you (and your coauthor) are aiming at some mediocre achievement at most. If that's also the impression you left in committee, I'm afraid thing would not work very well for you. After all, all top 50 programs want to place their students in research school where only tier-1 and tier-2 count for tenure. I would rather have a strong working paper that I presented in major conferences and under review at tier-1 journal, which is basically what I have.

Please do not take it personal, as I'm trying to rationalize how it happened. FYI, I do not have any letter from big names either.

-- by 会员 zzmypster (2012/3/6 23:32:55)

-- by 会员 zhipei (2012/3/7 0:39:58)

zhipei

先不讨论这个了，UFL有信了吗？ 我觉得最晚不会超过这个星期了吧？要是这个星期还是没消息，我可真没希望了。 还有UMN? 我知道之前有marketing interview,但那是cb的呀。
这两个学校我认为是最fit的，其他的没消息也就算了。

Well, there is something called desk rejection, which distinguish "under review" from "submitted to". But that's not my point. My point is top school would prefer ambitious and risk-taking applicant who has confident in his/her work and dare to target the best.


Besides, I think my presentation helped a lot. Every program (at least 5 top 20) that has some faculty in my session gave me, or would have given me an interview. I do not think one B in game theory will hurt you. I even has some C in math.

多谢你的建议，我直到你是在给我找原因。
你说JBR不算什么，我先不做评论。 单单说你说你有paper under review on top 1 journal, 什么是undereview? 任何人都可以送paper到top 1上去试，这不代表任何东西，更无法证明你的能力。我想你应该知道under review 和 under revision的区别吧。

我知道我现在能力有限，要是才一个master学生随便就能top, 那top可能真不算什么了，差不多烂大街了吧。

Hi zhipei,

I do not think a JBR is A-. It used to be good. But now, it is tier-3 to me, if QME, JA, JR, JSR, JIM, IJRM etc. count as tier-2. I don't think it is more than a CV filler for faculty in any decent program. Moreover, anything below that would only hurt you.

I am making some bold claims here. Take it with a grain of salt: It seems you are not even trying to publish in top journals. It seems you (and your coauthor) are aiming at some mediocre achievement at most. If that's also the impression you left in committee, I'm afraid thing would not work very well for you. After all, all top 50 programs want to place their students in research school where only tier-1 and tier-2 count for tenure. I would rather have a strong working paper that I presented in major conferences and under review at tier-1 journal, which is basically what I have.

Please do not take it personal, as I'm trying to rationalize how it happened. FYI, I do not have any letter from big names either.

-- by 会员 zzmypster (2012/3/6 23:32:55)

-- by 会员 zhipei (2012/3/7 0:39:58)

-- by 会员 zzmypster (2012/3/7 0:52:54)