法国高商 问答帖 (改版：开放各行业讨论，不限于金融）

Derman

leeshuo1007 发表于 2013-5-7 22:11
可是Derman你不是本科文科，然后GE，之后去做Quant，并没有math的背景吗？

I work at trading desk, not quant. Yes, there is some math involved when conducting trading activities in derivatives space, but it's not hardcore math that Quant use day in and day out. Trading & Quant are quite different areas requiring different types of mentality and personality, quant is much more technical in terms of math knowledge needed.

Derman

Omeng 发表于 2013-5-7 22:36
Je vous remercie!!!!! ^ ^

But I'm still a little confused about the comprehensive of IBD as you me ...

IBD is a broader term. Normally it includes Advisory (M&A+ Restructuring), ECM & DCM. Some banks put their leveraged finance into IBD (GS) while some banks only includes advisory and put their ECM & DCM into global capital market group (Citi). Some IBD have dedicated M&A group (MS) that executes deal while some banks (GS) rely on their sector group (oil gas, real estate, consumers....) for deal execution.

DCM issues debts for corporate clients (sometimes sovereign), ECM conducts IPO or follow-on stock offerings.

Ibankers (advisory, including sector coverage) consider themselves REAL BANKER at the top of totem pole and exclude ECM & DCM guys from the club.  But DCM is doing great these few years given the low interest rate environment and increasing financing needs that come along.  ECM is in trouble, as no one wants to issue shares in this choppy stock market.

A few banks also have structuring teams under IBD. These teams work very closely with structuring teams of Sales & trading (sometimes traders) to figure out financing solutions for corporate clients (for example, a mining company discovers a new gold field in Africa, then structuring team comes in, figure out company's cash flow needs, help them structure and sell gold price linked futures/options in market, therefore the company can hedge their exposure to gold price and raise immediate cash) . IMO, this is the coolest team under IBD.

JIMLEERH

Derman就是CD的手哥。每天几条段子，真长姿势。我们感受到了！

Derman

JIMLEERH 发表于 2013-5-9 00:47
Hi Derman, compared to the MSF programs in US/UK/HK, in terms of how the school/program will help yo ...

It depends on what schools you are comparing. ESSEC is obviously more competitive than UK's no name school MSF in job market, but it's by no means comparable to top schools (CMU, MIT, Stanford....) .

It also depends on the background of candidates. Some graduates of ESSEC MSF break into top firm's summer program (yes, they are ingenieurs background), while some struggle for an internship.

Derman

soho92 发表于 2013-5-8 05:54
可能是我没有问得太清楚。。我很困惑的是，本科加法国二流商学院GE共五年然后开始工作与本科加法国一流商 ...

It really depends on who you are. some graduates of HEC cannot even find an internhsip in France while some graduates of second tiers school get full-time job in SocGen Paris.

But if you need a short answer, i would say, "Yes, on a like-of-like basis". Top school can give you something that you will never get from second tier school (such as top firm's presence in their recruiting website, believe me, an internship in top firm might change your whole life)

Derman

wuggh 发表于 2013-5-9 15:56
Hi Derman, I have offers now, but I have no idea how to choose between them, list as below:
1. ESSEC ...

what do you wanna do? Finance or something else?

1.Go to EDHEC if you are dedicated to Finance (especially financial market), as the program there is well structured and you would have a whole gap year to get some exposure to financial industry.

2. Go to ESSEC if you are fine with any career option (or you haven't figured out what you want to do).ESSEC's brand name and location will open many doors for you.

Only choose Edhec when you are very very committed to finance job.

dysg

Derman你好，

从老帖子一直追来这里，感觉收获很多。谢谢你能这样耐心的回答我们这些新人的问题。
今年刚被essec GE 录取，可是总的来说对自己将来定位还是很迷茫，不知道高商毕业后究竟要往哪个方向发展。由于学费不菲，第一年也没有申到奖学金，所以将来工作不能忽略对薪酬的考虑。在这里想请教一下毕业后有哪几个方向的选择呢，据我目前所知列出以下几点，不正确的认识还请你指教一下，谢谢！
1.投行。工资高但是压力大，算上加班时间平均下来 salaire par heure 很低，就业竞争大。
2.会计，审计。就业竞争较小，工作量比投行稍小但是ennuyeux，工资一般。
3.咨询。就业竞争大因为难过语言关，工作量比投行稍小，初级工资一般。
4.Marketing。就业竞争压力大因为语言、文化差异大。国内外销售环境差异巨大。
5.Luxe。这个不了解，不过貌似挺适合女生做的，但是大多数都要从sale做起。
我比较感兴趣的是marketing,可是听人说学这个几乎在法国找不到工作，luxe的话不知道今后发展前景怎么样啊。我想现在法国工作几年攒够经验在回国。投行还是算了吧，女生常熬夜老得快。。。虽然平时也熬的不少。。。

Evonext

hi Derman，
看到这个帖子太好了，最近正在准备申请，纠结于专业选择。
一年多知名物流企业工作经验，可是法国前五没有物流专业。最靠前的就是Audencia的物流供应链。
1. EDHEC 的MSC in global business。10个月法国上课，最后一个月可选新加坡（ 亚洲市场管理方向），或伦敦（金融方向）。
2. audencia 的物流方向，可以去意大利理工交换半年，双学位。
我知道你对audencia不了解，我的问题是：
1、EDHEC 这个专业的课程设置很宽泛，accounting，financing，management，hr啥都学。有点儿担心这个专业会不会太水？就业方面含金量不大？
2、在法国找工作，学校排名非常重要么？如果能去edhec即使专业虚一些也不去后面的学校？

btw， 我的职业诉求是希望在35左右能做管理层，因为比起像金融那种技术性较强的科目，我还是在人情世故上能游刃有余点儿~
ps. 我想去l’ oreal 工作 ，无论任何职位！

Omeng

Derman 发表于 2013-5-9 22:06
IBD is a broader term. Normally it includes Advisory (M&A+ Restructuring), ECM & DCM. Some banks pu ...

So impressive!!!
Thank you, Derman!~.
HUGHUG^^~

Omeng

Evonext 发表于 2013-5-10 16:22
hi Derman，
看到这个帖子太好了，最近正在准备申请，纠结于专业选择。
一年多知名物流企业工作经验，可是 ...

1.想学物流就去南特..不想学物流就去EDHEC那个项目嘛..
2.你可以去网站看看两个项目的placement..
综合起来考虑考虑喽~