OG12 SC137 关于but问题

jofre

137. Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.

(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and  never regained popularity

正确答案C

同意其余各选项都有不可饶恕之错误，且but作为连词连接两个从句，只是想问一下：
1. 若将but去掉语法上是否正确：Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status.
个人感觉仍然正确，因为逗号之后whose从句补充说明composer，whose本身应该就能连接主句与从句呀？当然有but还表示转折意思更清楚，但是没有but语法应该也没有错误吧？

2. C选项中but作为连词连接两个从句，则中间是否不应该有逗号，
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shaoheng1120

回答1.if there is not "but"，whose-clause,will not parallel with who-clause,and it may refer to GM or JR or composer,who konws?   ambiguity.
回答2.comma is not the point of GMAT ,if it is used here,I think that indicate"pause & turn".
just my two cents.hope that helps.

jofre

回答1.if there is not "but"，whose-clause,will not parallel with who-clause,and it may refer to GM or JR or composer,who konws?   ambiguity.
回答2.comma is not the point of GMAT ,if it is used here,I think that indicate"pause & turn".
just my two cents.hope that helps.

-- by 会员 shaoheng1120 (2011/11/25 22:25:09)

Thanks for your reply, some further questions on your comments:
1. 你的意思是说but不是作为连词必须出现在who从句与whose从句之间，而是为了避免修饰对象歧义——也就是说若修饰对象没有歧义，则but可省略？
2. 还是你的第一点回答，whose从句就像which从句一样，即使用逗号隔开，一般还是优先就近修饰名词吧？
3. 如果是“A, B, and C”，我可以理解C前面需要有逗号，这里是"A and B"结构，B之前是否应该没有逗号？ 呵呵，其实有点钻牛角尖了~

shaoheng1120

Thanks for your reply, some further questions on your comments:
1. 你的意思是说but不是作为连词必须出现在who从句与whose从句之间，而是为了避免修饰对象歧义——也就是说若修饰对象没有歧义，则but可省略？
2. 还是你的第一点回答，whose从句就像which从句一样，即使用逗号隔开，一般还是优先就近修饰名词吧？
3. 如果是“A, B, and C”，我可以理解C前面需要有逗号，这里是"A and B"结构，B之前是否应该没有逗号？ 呵呵，其实有点钻牛角尖了~

1.but 有转折含义，没有不能表达这层含义了。原文逻辑是需要转折连词。
2.这个需要根据题目的逻辑意思而异，你多刷几遍OG，SC对于指示代词就心中有数了，G考的是原则，没有固定套路。
3.manhattan说：X ...A ，and B. B 是与主句并列的。因为 comma。但是有反例，OG就有。解决办法同2.

may24

1. but去掉语法上错误 whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status不是从句而是一个完整的句子，这里的whose reputation的完整说法是Joachim Raff's and Giacomo Meyerbeer's reputation，是declines and regains的主语。两个完整的句子之间必须有连词或者是分号连接。
2. but做连词逗号可有可无，取决于but后接的是句子还是短语。。通常接短语不可有逗号，但是也有例外。。如果短语特别长特别复杂，为了使句子清晰也可以加上逗号

sodalight

想问一下and never regains its former status  为什么要用its 呢？指代的应该是人啊

YvaineDing

sodalight 发表于 2012-9-29 16:18
想问一下and never regains its former status  为什么要用its 呢？指代的应该是人啊 ...

its 指的是 reputation， 不是指人

tanht

whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status不是从句而是一个完整的句子 不懂 为什么不是一个从句而是一个句子?

zbyloveinter

我觉得这里是两个从句，先行词都是composer，就像其余地方经常碰见的两个并列的that从句，之间使用and。这里两个从句有转折关系，用了but