OG啊，不是我水平太低，实在是你的解释自我矛盾啊...

justabeginning

RT
我现在对OG的解释真的有些无语了.......
先来看这道OG verbal 上的题：
Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be hazardous substances, but many of them can be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.
(A) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be
(B) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products being
(C) A consumer may not think of their household cleaning products being
(D) A consumer may not think of household cleaning products as
(E) Household cleaning products may not be thought of, by consumers, as

A,B,C可以很快排出，剩下DE，我的第一反应是E选项是被动语态没有主动好，但是突然间又想到了OG12中的一个例子让我很快排除了D选择了E.....

OG12-52. To Josephine Baker, Paris was her home long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate, and she remained
in France during the Second World War as a performer and an intelligence agent for the Resistance.
(A) To Josephine Baker, Paris was her home long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate,
(B) For Josephine Baker, long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate, Paris was her home,
(C) Josephine Baker made Paris her home long before to be an expatriate was fashionable,
(D) Long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate, Josephine Baker made Paris her home,
(E) Long before it was fashionable being an expatriate, Paris was home to Josephine Baker,

这题选D，OG的解释是：This compound sentence (consisting of two independent clauses joined by the coordinating conjunction and) would be most clearly expressed if Josephine Baker were the subject of the first clause since she is the subject of the second clause: Josephine Baker made Paris her home would clearly parallel she remained in France.

我觉得这个解释的核心就是第一句的主语和第二句的主语相平行的话句子最清晰，现在回到verbal上的那题，如果按照OG的preference的话应该E才是正确答案......

虽然说E是被动语态，但是我们能很清楚地看到施动者‘consumers’，所以很难就凭这一点说它错且OG12上有好几题都是被动语态为正确选项

总之，我觉得OG有些自我矛盾

同学们怎么看？

justabeginning

anyone?

donkid

后句中的“them”并非就近指代而是指代句子的主语的，因此有后句可以看出指代的是“Household cleaning products”，因此选E。OG那题中E选项用“being”表目的被GMAC称为“awkward”，即其不喜欢的表达，GMAC表目的一律用“to do”，所以OG那题选D

may24

Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be hazardous substances, but many of them can be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.
(A) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be
(B) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products being
(C) A consumer may not think of their household cleaning products being
(D) A consumer may not think of household cleaning products as
(E) Household cleaning products may not be thought of, by consumers, as

OG12-52. To Josephine Baker, Paris was her home long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate, and she remained
in France during the Second World War as a performer and an intelligence agent for the Resistance.
(A) To Josephine Baker, Paris was her home long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate,
(B) For Josephine Baker, long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate, Paris was her home,
(C) Josephine Baker made Paris her home long before to be an expatriate was fashionable,
(D) Long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate, Josephine Baker made Paris her home,
(E) Long before it was fashionable being an expatriate, Paris was home to Josephine Baker,

-- by 会员 justabeginning (2011/11/8 1:18:41)

首先，所谓的OG的主动优于被动的标准，是建立在其他条件同等的情况下说的。也就是如果两个选项，如果没有语法，语意方面的问题，他们之间唯一的差别就是一个主动一个被动，那么倾向于主动，因为通常主动会更简洁
现在我们来分析这两个题目。先看这一题
Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be hazardous substances, but many of them can be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.
(A) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be
(B) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products being
(C) A consumer may not think of their household cleaning products being
(D) A consumer may not think of household cleaning products as
(E) Household cleaning products may not be thought of, by consumers, as
后文有一句many of them can be harmful to health，根据常识判断them只能指代清洁产品，又是复数，则前面应该是cleaning products复数形式。A,B,E中就有一个问题了，them的指代不明确，既可以是customers，又可以是cleaning products，为了消除指代不明，那么C,D中用a consumer更好。再来比较C,D，C中their显然与a customer数目上不对应，且think... as...是固定搭配，所以D最好


再来看这题
OG12-52. To Josephine Baker, Paris was her home long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate, and she remained
in France during the Second World War as a performer and an intelligence agent for the Resistance.
(A) To Josephine Baker, Paris was her home long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate,
(B) For Josephine Baker, long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate, Paris was her home,
(C) Josephine Baker made Paris her home long before to be an expatriate was fashionable,
(D) Long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate, Josephine Baker made Paris her home,
(E) Long before it was fashionable being an expatriate, Paris was home to Josephine Baker,
既然句中说了是 it was fashionable to be an expatriate，那么说明paris不是她的home，原句was her home意思就有些矛盾了。 and she remained xxx，and后接的是一个句子，以she为主语，那么前面的结构应该与之平行，也应该是she指代的人did xxx这样的结构。如此一来只有C, D可以考虑。C中的后半句 to be an expatriate was fashionable语法上来看就是错误的，to be应该接名词或名词短语，这里接的是主谓结构。所以选D

justabeginning

To LS:
这一题Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be hazardous substances, but many of them can be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.
(A) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be
(B) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products being
(C) A consumer may not think of their household cleaning products being
(D) A consumer may not think of household cleaning products as
(E) Household cleaning products may not be thought of, by consumers, as
首先E选项，我不认为它有指代问题，by consumers只是插入语，另外OG说E选项之所以错是被动语态；至于另外一题，我认为OG的解释中所暗示的是一种preference,而consumer这题符合这个preference

geniealice

同意LS，by consumers这里插入语，them指代products没有问题。

同问···

OO335722076

[quote]
To LS:
这一题Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be hazardous substances, but many of them can be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.
(A) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be
(B) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products being
(C) A consumer may not think of their household cleaning products being
(D) A consumer may not think of household cleaning products as
(E) Household cleaning products may not be thought of, by consumers, as
首先E选项，我不认为它有指代问题，by consumers只是插入语，另外OG说E选项之所以错是被动语态；至于另外一题，我认为OG的解释中所暗示的是一种preference,而consumer这题符合这个preference

-- by 会员 justabeginning (2011/11/9 7:15:05)

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lz啊，哎，仔细看下你会发现是自家的想法自相矛盾

首先你的逻辑是以第二个的解释为基础
那我们来看看第二题的解释。

的确如你所说，认为主语相同更clearly 因为： Josephine Baker made Paris her home would clearly parallel she remained in France.
注意这个地方， og认为他之所以clearly，因为clearly parallel，parallel是最终原因

现在看透了这个解释， 来看第一题
lz也说了，og认为e是被动所以错，但是正因为og没说e是因为被动错而不是其她原因更说明第二题解释的合理性

因为第二个解释的最终依据是：Josephine Baker made Paris her home would clearly parallel she remained in France.这里两句话主语都是baker。也就是说明baker即把巴黎当家又带在法国，这当然parallel

而第一题e之所以错，就是因为e中被动使得e中两句不能parallel。前一个是被动，后一个是主动。句子结构和语态不能parallel了，还考虑主语parallel有何用？所以og认为e的主要问题是被动，恰巧是这个被动让lz的assumption 变得unfounded了

换句话说，lz举的这两个例子，认为第一题的解释weaken了第二题的解释，但是正好相反，第一题解释support了第二题解释

justabeginning

[quote]

To LS:
这一题Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be hazardous substances, but many of them can be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.
(A) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be
(B) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products being
(C) A consumer may not think of their household cleaning products being
(D) A consumer may not think of household cleaning products as
(E) Household cleaning products may not be thought of, by consumers, as
首先E选项，我不认为它有指代问题，by consumers只是插入语，另外OG说E选项之所以错是被动语态；至于另外一题，我认为OG的解释中所暗示的是一种preference,而consumer这题符合这个preference

-- by 会员 justabeginning (2011/11/9 7:15:05)

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lz啊，哎，仔细看下你会发现是自家的想法自相矛盾

首先你的逻辑是以第二个的解释为基础
那我们来看看第二题的解释。

的确如你所说，认为主语相同更clearly 因为： Josephine Baker made Paris her home would clearly parallel she remained in France.
注意这个地方， og认为他之所以clearly，因为clearly parallel，parallel是最终原因

现在看透了这个解释， 来看第一题
lz也说了，og认为e是被动所以错，但是正因为og没说e是因为被动错而不是其她原因更说明第二题解释的合理性

因为第二个解释的最终依据是：Josephine Baker made Paris her home would clearly parallel she remained in France.这里两句话主语都是baker。也就是说明baker即把巴黎当家又带在法国，这当然parallel

而第一题e之所以错，就是因为e中被动使得e中两句不能parallel。前一个是被动，后一个是主动。句子结构和语态不能parallel了，还考虑主语parallel有何用？所以og认为e的主要问题是被动，恰巧是这个被动让lz的assumption 变得unfounded了

换句话说，lz举的这两个例子，认为第一题的解释weaken了第二题的解释，但是正好相反，第一题解释support了第二题解释

-- by 会员 OO335722076 (2011/11/9 16:31:30)

u r the man!

翠儿卡

[quote]

To LS:
这一题Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be hazardous substances, but many of them can be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.
(A) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be
(B) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products being
(C) A consumer may not think of their household cleaning products being
(D) A consumer may not think of household cleaning products as
(E) Household cleaning products may not be thought of, by consumers, as
首先E选项，我不认为它有指代问题，by consumers只是插入语，另外OG说E选项之所以错是被动语态；至于另外一题，我认为OG的解释中所暗示的是一种preference,而consumer这题符合这个preference

-- by 会员 justabeginning (2011/11/9 7:15:05)

[/quote

lz啊，哎，仔细看下你会发现是自家的想法自相矛盾

首先你的逻辑是以第二个的解释为基础
那我们来看看第二题的解释。

的确如你所说，认为主语相同更clearly 因为： Josephine Baker made Paris her home would clearly parallel she remained in France.
注意这个地方， og认为他之所以clearly，因为clearly parallel，parallel是最终原因

现在看透了这个解释， 来看第一题
lz也说了，og认为e是被动所以错，但是正因为og没说e是因为被动错而不是其她原因更说明第二题解释的合理性

因为第二个解释的最终依据是：Josephine Baker made Paris her home would clearly parallel she remained in France.这里两句话主语都是baker。也就是说明baker即把巴黎当家又带在法国，这当然parallel

而第一题e之所以错，就是因为e中被动使得e中两句不能parallel。前一个是被动，后一个是主动。句子结构和语态不能parallel了，还考虑主语parallel有何用？所以og认为e的主要问题是被动，恰巧是这个被动让lz的assumption 变得unfounded了

换句话说，lz举的这两个例子，认为第一题的解释weaken了第二题的解释，但是正好相反，第一题解释support了第二题解释

-- by 会员 OO335722076 (2011/11/9 16:31:30)

解释的相当赞！

bapear

OO335722076 发表于 2011-11-9 16:31
[quote]To LS:这一题Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be hazardous substances ...

我跟LZ有同样的疑问，看了这个解释明白了，不得不赞一下，多谢～～

“前一个是被动，后一个是主动。句子结构和语态不能parallel了，还考虑主语parallel有何用？”
精譬！