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hyte

以下是引用rhod在2004-12-1 11:52:00的发言：

我查了夸克的英语语法大全，只有except, except for与but的比较，没有except, except for之间的比较。所以，我认为通常情况下两者的含义相同。

根据我自己自己的观察，两者的用法可能有些不同:

1. except for多用于句首，而except不用于句首.

2. except可以连接that从句，except for不可以.

说来也巧，我查的英语语法大全，正好在except, except for这里缺了半页。所以，可能有些其他差别，也未可知。

我不是很認同您的解釋～～我們台灣這的老師都是教我們～except for A, B....此時A,B可以不同類～像這題就是如此！A是a concert performance  而B是ragtime opera~不屬同類！except A, B...此時A, B一定要同累～至於excepting=except  看到必錯！馬上刪

FionaLiang

以下是引用hyte在2006-2-22 17:13:00的发言：

我不是很認同您的解釋～～我們台灣這的老師都是教我們～except for A, B....此時A,B可以不同類～像這題就是如此！A是a concert performance  而B是ragtime opera~不屬同類！except A, B...此時A, B一定要同累～至於excepting=except  看到必錯！馬上刪

请NN再帮忙确认一下，except到底可不可以用在句首呢？（像这样的结构：except A, B...）

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FionaLiang

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布瓜丫丫

以下是引用livary在2005-9-24 13:02:00的发言：

把题目重贴一遍:

102. Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged

(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it

(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself

(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged

(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

根据langman:

excepting,preposition:

1)used to introduce the only thing or person in a group about which a statement is not true [= except (for)]:

eg.O'Rourke answered all the questions excepting the last one.

如果说excepting和except for有相同的意思,那么我对OG102 D就有新的认识,不知道对不对?

1)excepting在此如果作为except的动名词解,那么 分词在句首,其逻辑主语为句子主语 ,主语为Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera,逻辑关系就错了;

2)excepting在此如果作介词解(我认为在题是作介词,因为OG解释: the use of Excepting in place of the preposition
            Except for is unidiomatic.那么就应该是可以互换的(前提是excepting作为介词可以放句首,根据现代英汉综合大辞典:excepting,prep.[用于句首或 not, without, always 后面]表"除...外").

现在的问题就是,D选项中excepting有两种含义,容易产生歧义.按照ETS的一贯思路,就应该是unidiomatic.

to be discuss...

现在在og11里面出现了新的解释：

D.Excepting usually appears in negative constructions ;it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.

这个解释是什么意思呢？怎么使用它呢？

sigrid920

请较各位:

OG11上说:excepting usually appears in negative construction,是什么意思呢?是指否定句吗?

ecochem

同问楼上的问题！！

sigrid920

再问~~!!有人知道吗?

amy7777

以下是引用sigrid920在2006-8-30 20:05:00的发言：

请较各位:

OG11上说:excepting usually appears in negative construction,是什么意思呢?是指否定句吗?

英语中意思为“除了……”的表达有except／except for／besides／apart from／but／but for／other than等，它们的用法复杂多变、难以掌握，学生常常为之困惑烦恼。本文将对其进行总结、归纳、练习，使学生能够系统地掌握它们的用法，消除学生几多愁。

　　1. except和besides都可解作“除……之外”?但含义不同。

　　

 

 

 

except表示“从所提到的人或事物中除去，即从整体中除去一部分”，表示递减的概念，含义是否定的。besides表示“除了……之外，还有……”，指“在整体中加入一部分”，表示递加的概念，含义是肯定的。

　　试比较：

　　①We all went except him.

　　除他之外，我们都去了。(他没有去)

　　②We all went besides him.

　　除他之外，我们大家也都去了。(他也去了)

　　(1)besides常与other／more／else等词连用?except常与all／every／everyone／none／nobody／everything／nothing等总括词连用。

　　eg. He had other people to take care of besidesme.

　　All the students in Class One went to the cinema except Li Ping.

　　(2)若句中没有实义动词do的某种形式?except后接动词不定式?而besides后接动词的-ing形式。

　　eg.I had no choice except to obey／besides obeying his order.

　　(3)若句中有实义动词do的某种形式?二者后面都可以接动词原形。

　　eg.She has nothing to do except／besides go with him.

　　(4)二者后面都可以接从句。

　　eg.①Besides that he explained the theory?he gave us some examples.

　　②He is a good student except that he sometimes comes late to school.

　　(5)except后面可接for(构成短语except for)或其他介词短语，而besides不能。

　　except for主要有三层含义：

　　①表示对整体主要部分的肯定和对局部的否定?起部分修正主要意思的作用。

　　eg.Your composition is quite excellent except for several spelling mistakes.

　　②表示非同类事物进行比较。

　　eg.The street is empty except for several cars.

　　③置于句首，表达except的含义。

　　eg.Except for this?everything is in order.

　　except for后接名(代)词?可以转移为except＋从句或其他介词短语。

　　eg.The climate here is good except for some rainy days.(except when it rains；except that it sometimes rains；except on the rainy days)

　　注意：二者用于否定句时含义相同，意思是一样的。

　　eg. He did nothing besides (＝except) this.

　　除这件事外，他什么事也没做。

　　2. apart from兼有besides和except for两种含义，后接名词、代词或动名词。

　　3. but含义与except相同，都表示递减的概念，二者在多数情况下可以互换，但用法稍有区别。

　　①except可以代替but?但but并不一定都可以代替except?如果句中有no、all、nobody、who、where等不定代词或疑问词时，多用but?后跟宾语从句时，多用except。

　　②but for含义有时与except for相同，但主要表示“要不是……”，常用于虚拟句，表示一种假设。

　　③but位置的变化会引起人称代词主、宾格的变化。

　　No one but I (＝except me) knows it.

　　No one knows it but me (＝except me).

　　4. other than含义与except／but相同，都表示从总体中除去一部分?后接名词、代词或不定式。

　　eg.In that case?there is nothing you can do other than wait. (2001年上海春季高考题)

　　Practice

　　1. I know nothing about the young lady＿＿＿she is from Beijing.(2000年上海高考题)

　　A. except B. except for

　　C. except that D. besides

　　2. The suit fitted him well＿＿＿the colour was a little brighter.(2000年上海春季高考题)

　　A. except for B. except that

　　C. except when D. besides

　　3. He did have nothing to eat but＿＿＿＿＿.

　　A. to steal some food from the shop

　　B. to rob some food of the shop

　　C. steal some food from the shop

　　D. rob some food of the shop

　　4. Jane was quite alone in the world＿＿＿＿an aunt in Brazil.

　　A. except B. except for

　　C. besides D. instead of

　　5.＿＿＿＿being a little large?the hat looks nice.

　　A. Apart from B. Except

　　C. But D. Besides for

　　6. In no country＿＿＿Britain can one experience four seasons in the course of a single day.

　　A. other than B. anything that

　　C. more than D. rather than

　　7. He gets up early every day＿＿＿Sunday.

　　A. besides B. except for

　　C. except that D. except

　　8. We need fifteen more people＿＿＿＿＿＿our team to do the job.

　　A. besides B. except for

　　C. except that D. except

　　Key?1. C 2. B 3. A 4. B 5. A

　　6. A 7. D 8.Ａ（山东省沂南一中 魏作雷 李瑞云）