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楼主
发表于 2003-6-1 17:25:00 | 只看该作者

请教LSAT-8-IV-9,17

9. Brain scans of people exposed to certain neurotoxins reveal brain damage identical to that found in people suffering from Parkinson's disease. This fact shows not only that these neurotoxins cause this type of brain damage, but also that the brain damage itself causes Parkinson's disease. Thus brain scans can be used to determine who is likely to develop Parkinson's disease.

The argument contains which one of the following reasoning errors?

(A) It fails to establish that other methods that can be used to diagnose Parkinson's disease are less accurate than brain scans.

(B) It overestimates the importance of early diagnosis in determining appropriate treatments for people suffering from Parkinson's disease.

(C) It mistakes a correlation between the type of brain damage described and Parkinson's disease for a causal relation between the two.

(D) It assumes that people would want to know as early as possible whether they were likely to develop Parkinson's disease.

{E} It neglects to specify how the information provided by brain scans could be used either in treating Parkinson's disease or in monitoring the progression of the disease.

答案:B,我选了C,为什么是B呢?

Dr. Kim: Electronic fetal monitors, now routinely used in hospital delivery rooms to check fetal heartbeat, are more intrusive than ordinary stethoscopes and do no more to improve the chances that a healthy baby will be born. Therefore, the additional cost of electronic monitoring is unjustified and such monitor-jog should be discontinued.

Dr. Anders: I disagree. Although you and I know that both methods are capable of providing the same information, electronic monitoring has been well worth the cost. Doctors now know the warning signs they need to listen for with stethoscopes, but only because of what was learned from using electronic monitors.

17. As a reply to Dr. Kim's argument, Dr. Anders' response is inadequate because it

(A) misses the point at issue

(B) assumes what it sets out to prove

(C) confuses high cost with high quality

(D) overestimates the importance of technology to modem medicine

(E) overlooks the fact that a procedure can be extensively used without being the best procedure available

答案:A,我选了E。

这种指出逻辑错误和逻辑技法题,我经常错,有什么好办法吗?

谢谢。
沙发
 楼主| 发表于 2003-6-4 08:32:00 | 只看该作者
这两题请帮助看看,好吗?谢谢.
板凳
 楼主| 发表于 2003-6-4 12:35:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用joywzy在2003-6-4 8:32:00的发言:
这两题请帮助看看,好吗?谢谢.


帮助看看这两题,好吗?
地板
发表于 2003-6-4 14:42:00 | 只看该作者
9)作者根据这个brain scans证明了neurotoxins 能致使 brain damage同时brain damage 能产生Parkinson's disease,就得出结论:brain scans可以用来谁可以发展成Parkinson's disease。这个推理是不完整的,缺少一个隐含假设:早期通过brain scans可以检测出未发展Parkinson's disease并可以预测可以发展成Parkinson's disease。也就是说如果检测有Parkinson's disease就有可能发展成Parkinson's disease。
C只是对这个fact所揭示的产生怀疑(一般事实不需要怀疑)。这种题一定要找推理过程。
17)Kim的结论是:The additional cost is unjust and should be discontinued.
Anders 的结论是:electronic monitoring 怎么样。没有说明这个The additional cost 。
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 楼主| 发表于 2003-6-4 15:06:00 | 只看该作者
谢谢perfection!!!

看来我没有明白指出逻辑错误的作题方法.你的意思我明白了.谢谢.

另外,请教:

Brain scans of people exposed to certain neurotoxins reveal brain damage identical to that found in people suffering from Parkinson's disease. Therefore, this fact shows not only that these neurotoxins cause this type of brain damage, but also that the brain damage itself causes Parkinson's disease.

那么答案就是C,对吗?

也就是说指出逻辑错误时,不能在论据中找错误(要假设论据是完全正确的),从论证的过程中找错误.比如找其中的假设等.对吗?

谢谢.
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 楼主| 发表于 2003-6-4 15:10:00 | 只看该作者
perfection:

17题,

Dr. Anders: . Doctors now know the warning signs they need to listen for with stethoscopes, but only because of what was learned from using electronic monitors.
==>electronic monitoring has been well worth the cost

提到了cost啊?!

能再讲讲吗?谢谢.
7#
发表于 2003-6-4 15:23:00 | 只看该作者
第一题的迷惑性较大,但是你要看清楚答案,它是讲把两种病症状的相似性当作因果关系了。实际上是这样一种逻辑关系:expose to toxin-->brain damage, 而brain damage类似于parkinson  disease, 所以 toxin--> parkinson  disease。并不是答案c中的brain damage类似于parkinson  disease,所以 brain damage-->parkinson  disease.
第二题我用的是排除法,其他四项都不对。而A比较笼统。在没有其他答案的情况下,选A也对。
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 楼主| 发表于 2003-6-4 15:26:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用mike1999在2003-6-4 15:23:00的发言:
第一题的迷惑性较大,但是你要看清楚答案,它是讲把两种病症状的相似性当作因果关系了。实际上是这样一种逻辑关系:expose to toxin-->brain damage, 而brain damage类似于parkinson  disease, 所以 toxin--> parkinson  disease。并不是答案c中的brain damage类似于parkinson  disease,所以 brain damage-->parkinson  disease.


就是啊,我就是这么想的:把两种病症状的相似性当作因果关系

这不就是C吗?
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发表于 2003-6-4 16:20:00 | 只看该作者
Brain scans of people exposed to certain neurotoxins reveal brain damage identical to that found in people suffering from Parkinson's disease. Therefore, this fact shows not only that these neurotoxins cause this type of brain damage, but also that the brain damage itself causes Parkinson's disease.

那么答案就是C,对吗?
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我认为即使这样,就能推出C吗?不一定。根据如此少的信息,很能判定作者这步推理是不合理的或是合理的,毕竟是从一个事实中得来的(但我们可以怀疑其事实推理的正确性,如果是问weaken,应该可以找出很多)。
本题错误在于根据这个事实又做了过多的外推。重点在于推理过程。

仔细体会kim和Anders的结论是
kim:The additional cost is unjust and should be discontinued. 并没有说哪个好,哪个不好。重点是说个additional cost.
Anders的结论:electronic monitoring 值这个价值。重点是针对electronic  monitoring 。
也许加上个假设:electronic monitoring 值这个价值,所以其附加的价值也是just and should be continued。反驳就应该是合理的了。

我看的那本上说:千万别自己加任何隐含的假设。


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 楼主| 发表于 2003-6-4 17:01:00 | 只看该作者
perfection,谢谢.

T17,我明白了.我发现做这种题,对每个人的话最好先自己归纳一下,这样不容易错.明白每个人的观点是什么.

指出逻辑错误题,我可能与削弱做混了.削弱,可以从assumption,premise,other factors等方面来削弱,而指出逻辑错误,只能针对论证的过程,对吗?

谢谢.
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